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framer

framer

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If I had to point out a couple of stats that I hadn't expected, here they are. There is no way that Trey has willingly made the choice to not take a three pointer in two games, there has to have been some throttling by Quinn. Because of this, Burke is forced to work on his drive and assist game once the lazy three point jack is not an option and has been looking much improved. Having Burks as the designated "Ice" option will help him as well, rather than just getting the ball passed back to him with 3 seconds left by Millsap, Booker and crew like what happened a lot last year.

Conversely, after watching pre season it is kind of amazing to see Neto being put in a position to shoot that three successfully, which he has really never done.
 
framer said:
If I had to point out a couple of stats that I hadn't expected, here they are. There is no way that Trey has willingly made the choice to not take a three pointer in two games, there has to have been some throttling by Quinn. Because of this, Burke is forced to work on his drive and assist game once the lazy three point jack is not an option and has been looking much improved. Having Burks as the designated "Ice" option will help him as well, rather than just getting the ball passed back to him with 3 seconds left by Millsap, Booker and crew like what happened a lot last year.

Conversely, after watching pre season it is kind of amazing to see Neto being put in a position to shoot that three successfully, which he has really never done.
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Neto has shot the three well in his stints with Brazil's team.


Good, interesting post otherwise.
 
To add to the unexpected stat.. Burke has taken a 3 in every career NBA regular season game he has ever played.. except these first 2 games this season..

Something to pay attention to definitely.
 
Also to add to the unexpected start - Trey Lyles minutes at C.. This was Kentucky's starting SF last year - Thats rather unusual, can anyone recall something similar???
 
PG_AB said:
Also to add to the unexpected start - Trey Lyles minutes at C.. This was Kentucky's starting SF last year - Thats rather unusual, can anyone recall something similar???
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It has been surprising. To me, that Lyles-Booker combo looks like absolute trash. Very surprised not to see Withey.
 
NAOS said:
It has been surprising. To me, that Lyles-Booker combo looks like absolute trash. Very surprised not to see Withey.
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It's really too early to tell.

Looks like 2-man lineup of Booker, Lyles has a team performance in 5.4 minutes of: 5-12 (41.7%), 10 points, +5 differential

I think it's interesting to explore based on matchup. Probably will see it again tonight based on Indiana's roster.
 
MDAV28 said:
It's really too early to tell.

Looks like 2-man lineup of Booker, Lyles has a team performance in 5.4 minutes of: 5-12 (41.7%), 10 points, +5 differential

I think it's interesting to explore based on matchup. Probably will see it again tonight based on Indiana's roster.
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paths to the basket look wide open to me. Thanks for the early stat... something to keep an eye on.
 
Neto's 3pt shooting could be worth several victories if its on point(near 35%) It's a potential MAJOR storyline, and stranger things have happened, shooting mechanics are a tricky thing, If he's streamlined something - who knows what that's worth... The Jazz ball movement looks pretty good the first 2 games.. If he's only gonna pull the trigger on good looks, He'll be a great example for Burke to watch from the bench too:rolleyes:..

We knew Neto was a pest, but I'm surprised at just how effective he looks getting steals.. One of my favorite plays of the game was when he stole T.J McConnell's dribble, it was glorious.





I've been posting for years that Trey is more of a probing PG, than anything else.. Especially if he can avoid TO's doing that, that mindset will really help him down the line.. (Most here would now agree that he's not a floor general.. And most here would agree call to classify him a shooter or scorer is kind of... not right.. he's not efficient enough..)

Thing is --- If Quinn had him change something up.. I bet he wants him drawing fouls(more), right now he's got 12 FGA's and 0 FTA's so It'll be worth keeping an eye on, as always..
 
NAOS said:
It has been surprising. To me, that Lyles-Booker combo looks like absolute trash. Very surprised not to see Withey.
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Yeah but Lyles at C is an interesting proposition, he can faceup from the 3pt line, he can pass, has a really good feel for offense.. it's a potentially good matchup - e.g. Trying to play catchup and the offense doesn't look that great.. Lyles might be the best option..

If he can guard the opposing C as well as he did Noel last night, it's a good idea.

They had Booker on Okafor at one point, thats a mismatch, it's gonna be tough for Booker to show well defending that matchup..
 
PG_AB said:
Yeah but Lyles at C is an interesting proposition, he can faceup from the 3pt line, he can pass, has a really good feel for offense.. it's a potentially good matchup - e.g. Trying to play catchup and the offense doesn't look that great.. Lyles might be the best option.. If he can guard the opposing C as well as he did Noel last night, it's a good idea.
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I'm not against him playing there. I'm just not thrilled by the Booker-Lyles combo so far. And it certainly isn't producing a lot of offense at the 4 and 5 spots (but, as MDAV points out, it MAY be producing good offense elsewhere in the system).
 
NAOS said:
I'm not against him playing there. I'm just not thrilled by the Booker-Lyles combo so far. And it certainly isn't producing a lot of offense at the 4 and 5 spots (but, as MDAV points out, it MAY be producing good offense elsewhere in the system).
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Looking at the play-by-play it looks like the lineup produced a lot of mid-range jumpers, which is obviously not ideal. Plus a lot of the time was garbage time at the end of a 30-point game.
 
Neto is getting left pretty open right now on some sets, so he has gotten some good looks. When he is set, he has very good and minimal mechanics w/ a very set shot for a player his size. Neto's shots on the move are an entirely different story. I wish he would cut out these awkward 1-footers and pull ups and opt for a floater. If he can successfully make himself a threat when he is driving, he will be a pretty good PG.

As far as the 3pt disparity with Burke. I think that's just a weird sample size case. There is no way in hell Quinn would tell anyone on our team not to shoot 3's. Let's also recognize Burke had some great passes, my favorite of which was his drive and kick to Burks for the And-1 3pointer.
 
King Cy said:
As far as the 3pt disparity with Burke. I think that's just a weird sample size case. There is no way in hell Quinn would tell anyone on our team not to shoot 3's. Let's also recognize Burke had some great passes, my favorite of which was his drive and kick to Burks for the And-1 3pointer.
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for one second, allow yourself to wonder about why those two games are the ONLY two games of his career where he hasn't shot a three. Then, allow yourself the thought that you don't know what Q is doing. Because you don't.

there's something to this. Sometimes, you break a player's bad habits by taking things away. Trying to add things to Burke's repertoire certainly hasn't borne fruit. So,....
 
NAOS said:
for one second, allow yourself to wonder about why those two games are the ONLY two games of his career where he hasn't shot a three. Then, allow yourself the thought that you don't know what Q is doing. Because you don't.

there's something to this. Sometimes, you break a player's bad habits by taking things away. Trying to add things to Burke's repertoire certainly hasn't borne fruit. So,....
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No, that isn't the case. Burke's worst habit is shooting off-balanced midrange pull ups off the PNR when he has more time to set himself. He is still doing that. Quin wants 3-pointers. He would never tell a player, especially one who just finished shooting over 40% from deep in the pre-season, to suddenly stop shooting 3's in the regular season.
 
NAOS said:
It has been surprising. To me, that Lyles-Booker combo looks like absolute trash. Very surprised not to see Withey.
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This.

I hate the booker lyles line up
 
King Cy said:
No, that isn't the case. Burke's worst habit is shooting off-balanced midrange pull ups off the PNR when he has more time to set himself. He is still doing that. Quin wants 3-pointers. He would never tell a player, especially one who just finished shooting over 40% from deep in the pre-season, to suddenly stop shooting 3's in the regular season.
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You can't know what Q would never do. You simply can't.

Trey's worst habit is producing bad offense. You're acting like I said something like "If a person chews his nails, put his hands in gloves so he can't," which is an extremely over-simplified way of understanding what I'm saying. Sometimes you can produce breakthroughs by embracing restrictions. That's a basic tenet of any worthwhile psychology. And I think it's pretty obvious that Burke is on a short leash (which lengthens considerably when he isn't ****ting the bed).
 
King Cy said:
Let's also recognize Burke had some great passes, my favorite of which was his drive and kick to Burks for the And-1 3pointer.
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He really had some great dimes last night.

On that specific assist, he uses the Gobert screen well and gets by his man heading to the lane.

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Then the whole 76ers defense collapses and Burke jumps over all of them to make a cross-court pass to the corner. Really nice set up play and recognition, Hood was wide open too as you can see.

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King Cy said:
No, that isn't the case. Burke's worst habit is shooting off-balanced midrange pull ups off the PNR when he has more time to set himself. He is still doing that. Quin wants 3-pointers. He would never tell a player, especially one who just finished shooting over 40% from deep in the pre-season, to suddenly stop shooting 3's in the regular season.
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Burke also has a horribke tendency to overdribble, run down clock and shoot threes.
 
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