time for KOC to do something
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The problem is that any trade we make we will have to shed salary and as far as dealing AK teams are not going to give up a better player with a better contract for a rental.
I think the better question is what if we matched the offer for Matthews, didn't spend the money on Raja and bit the bullet $$$ wise for one year until AK's contract expired. How much better would we be at this point. I'd dare say the 3 seed in the West. 4th at worst.
If by picking up Matthews contract we did not trade for Al where would we be? With no Okur not to great!
mellow
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Ty Corbin said he was going to sit down with Kevin and evaluate the team over the AllStar break.
What if--the jazz realize they are disfunctional to the point of divorce with a certain pg. Think they could package that pg and a lame memo and anybody else (CJ or Raja) who wanted to be gone for a large expiring contract and a combination of picks and young talent?
Jazz could clear thier books for next year, and acquire a bunch of assets in one move.
A bunch of cheap or rookie contracts would be nice coming back from the lock-out. Call Houston today KOC
What if--the jazz realize they are disfunctional to the point of divorce with a certain pg. Think they could package that pg and a lame memo and anybody else (CJ or Raja) who wanted to be gone for a large expiring contract and a combination of picks and young talent?
Jazz could clear thier books for next year, and acquire a bunch of assets in one move.
A bunch of cheap or rookie contracts would be nice coming back from the lock-out. Call Houston today KOC
Stifle Tower
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Jazz have Deron under contract for a couple more seasons so there would certainly be some teams willing to part with pieces to make a deal. It's not like 'Melo and NY where the attitude is "we'll just sign him as a FA next year."
I wouldn't be too shocked if Deron is traded. There are some good PG's around the league. Deron is certainly one of the best, but as MANY have pointed out in the past, is PG a position where you want to pay out a MAX contract.
If you could get two quality starters, or one starter and a high lottery pick, you'd have to consider a trade, especially if Deron has been a big part of the problem (which only Greg, KOC and the currrent and former coaches would know).
Zerol
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Several players who can help really help the Jazz and the chances of getting these players are decent compared to what have been suggested (i.e. Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, Stephen Jackson, Andre Iguodala, etc.):
1) John Salmons - may have to take Maggette's contract along for AK's expiring. Delfino is playing great for them at the 2 and they have Douglas-Roberts who can fill the void. Also words are Michael Redd is in good shape so they have a surplus of wingmen. The team is not doing great so they might opt to save some money. If we are desperate, Millsap for Salmons will work too but I don't think that's the way to go.
2) Jamal Crawford - may have to take a long-term deal like Marvin Williams or Zaza Pachulia, again for AK's contract and possibly Fes or Price. Crawford is on an expiring contract but he is a sharp shooter that can help the Jazz at the 2. The Hawks' cap situation is a mess with the extensions to Johnson, Smith and Horford so a big expiring like AK's helps.
3) Anthony Morrow - if we can somehow involved in a trade that ship Carmelo out of Denver to New Jersey. Shipping Carmelo to the East is the primary benefits here and the Jazz will get a light-out shooter back.
That's all I can think of. I would love to get Kaman but I don't think the Clippers values AK that high.
1) John Salmons - may have to take Maggette's contract along for AK's expiring. Delfino is playing great for them at the 2 and they have Douglas-Roberts who can fill the void. Also words are Michael Redd is in good shape so they have a surplus of wingmen. The team is not doing great so they might opt to save some money. If we are desperate, Millsap for Salmons will work too but I don't think that's the way to go.
2) Jamal Crawford - may have to take a long-term deal like Marvin Williams or Zaza Pachulia, again for AK's contract and possibly Fes or Price. Crawford is on an expiring contract but he is a sharp shooter that can help the Jazz at the 2. The Hawks' cap situation is a mess with the extensions to Johnson, Smith and Horford so a big expiring like AK's helps.
3) Anthony Morrow - if we can somehow involved in a trade that ship Carmelo out of Denver to New Jersey. Shipping Carmelo to the East is the primary benefits here and the Jazz will get a light-out shooter back.
That's all I can think of. I would love to get Kaman but I don't think the Clippers values AK that high.
mellow
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I'm advocating the trade D-will, Bell and Memo position. 1st it makes the most financial sense to the owner, 2nd--it is more fun, 3rd- I'm personally tired of watching Deron get beat every night and figure we might as well trade him now while some teams still think he is amoung the leagues best.
So I want D-Will, Okur, and Bell to Houston for Yao's Expiring contract, Terrance Williams, Patterson or Hill, Lowry, two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.
Jazz get financial stability when 34 Million comes off the books next year, they get two rookie contracts, a sg/sf combo, a big man that can come off the bench, an affordable pg and some picks to replace all the ones that are gone.
Houston wants a star, so they get a contract that is partially covered by insurance, 'one of the leagues best point gaurds' and they can trade away Bell in the offseason.
So I want D-Will, Okur, and Bell to Houston for Yao's Expiring contract, Terrance Williams, Patterson or Hill, Lowry, two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.
Jazz get financial stability when 34 Million comes off the books next year, they get two rookie contracts, a sg/sf combo, a big man that can come off the bench, an affordable pg and some picks to replace all the ones that are gone.
Houston wants a star, so they get a contract that is partially covered by insurance, 'one of the leagues best point gaurds' and they can trade away Bell in the offseason.
David Stern
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Here's my priority list:
1- Trade Okur for anything expiring. Figure out how to get Houston or someone to take him.
2- Trade AK for either young assets, expiring contracts that equal less than what he's being paid, a pick, or a combination of the three
3- Trade Raja to LA for a TPE
Then we'll have 30 million coming off the books this offseason, and we can get a lot younger. I think going after a young center (Oden, Thabeet) would be ideal right now, because we could get them dirt cheap and there's not much risk involved.
1- Trade Okur for anything expiring. Figure out how to get Houston or someone to take him.
2- Trade AK for either young assets, expiring contracts that equal less than what he's being paid, a pick, or a combination of the three
3- Trade Raja to LA for a TPE
Then we'll have 30 million coming off the books this offseason, and we can get a lot younger. I think going after a young center (Oden, Thabeet) would be ideal right now, because we could get them dirt cheap and there's not much risk involved.
1- There used to possibly be a market, there isn't anymore. Why would anyone want Memo unless it's to give us a worse contract?
2- Not the worst idea, but still not the most plausible. The Jazz might as well hold on 'til the end.
3- LA isn't under the cap and unless we want to take on Luke Walton, they're not trading anything to us.
David Stern
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I know its not horribly realistic to dump Okur, but I still would like to try. Maybe some team is willing to take a risk on him.
Kirilenko will probably be dumped for another expiring that saves us 3-4 million this year, and i'm fine with that.
I know LA isn't under the cap, that's why I said they would use a TPE dumbass.
Kirilenko will probably be dumped for another expiring that saves us 3-4 million this year, and i'm fine with that.
I know LA isn't under the cap, that's why I said they would use a TPE dumbass.