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To the "we're better without Conley" crew

We can play a game of tiny sample versus historical evidence/data all day but you simply won‘t win your arguments against “bringing in Conley is a bad idea”. Sorry.
 
Do people realize pretty much the entire team team was struggling along with Conley? Its just barely starting to find its groove and it's a little unfair Conley is not being afforded the same luxury. I guarantee you he would be playing at a higher rate if he never got injured.
 
NAOS said:
I like where this debate has ended up. The Start Joe crowd and the Start Royce crowd we’re both right.
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And if they're both right, then who goes to the bench...?

(I'm not actually stating that Conley coming off the bench is a feasible idea in reality)
 
When was the last time bringing in an undersized midget ball dominant and defensive liable PG helped a team to win a championship?
 
jom2003 said:
When was the last time bringing in an undersized midget ball dominant and defensive liable PG helped a team to win a championship?
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Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think it's mostly Joe. However, having Conley in the lineup would necessarily mean Joe handling the ball less and I'm not sure that's good since Joe is - quite frankly - substantially better at running point than Conley.
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Especially with Gobert instead of Marc, Z-Bo, and Valanciunas
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
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Conley showED great defense. But he is nothing but a liability at this point, having a solid negative on both DRPM and DBPM this season. I don't think that is reversible given his aging/physical decline. So he's basically unusable if he doesn't make significant progress on offense, which IT, Parker and Lowry all had been solid at.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And if they're both right, then who goes to the bench...?

(I'm not actually stating that Conley coming off the bench is a feasible idea in reality)
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Everybody talks about the “Raptors Model”.... One of their hallmarks was how a couple of vets set their egos to one side and came off the bench........ Hmmmmm.
 
It is amazing to me how much Mudiay gets trashed but Conley doesn't.

The stats between Conley and Mudiay Per 36 minutes are not that much different.

Seems like a double standard to me.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
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Plus those teams didn't just bring in Parker/IT/Lowry, they were all already there in the beginning as part of what the team were to build on.

The Jazz, on the other hand, already had a solid foundation and Conley doesn't fit into any of that.
 
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