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Ellis269 said:
I thought that they had $12 million to work with before factoring non-guaranteed contracts into the mix. I might be wrong, but can't they cut/trade some of those contracts and trade Burke to get close to that range. They're on the hook for the 12th pick, but outside of Booker, Millsap and Ingles (who they should keep) they've given themselves a little bit of flexibility.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
If we don't pick up Booker's option I think we can... I think we have 11ish M available and 15ish available if we didn't pick up the option. We could also dump Burke and his salary or include him in a sign and trade. I think we can get there pretty easily but may be wrong.
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Possible, but Jazz would likely have to renounce Evans' bird rights, waive the d-leaguers and Booker for one player. Hard to fill the rest of the roster.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Possible, but Jazz would likely have to renounce Evans' bird rights, waive the d-leaguers and Booker for one player. Hard to fill the rest of the roster.
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Harris' role would be bigger than all of those guys combined. Let's assume Burke was traded as part of a sign and trade to get Harris and all non-guaranteed guys are waived... we'd have Exum, Hood, Hayward, Burks, Harris, Gobert, Favors, and Ingles (prolly). We'd also have the 12th pick... that's nine guys. Fill out the rest of the 10th-12th spot with new d leaguers or minimum salary dudes.

I still don't see it happening because of the other issues, but the cap space doesn't seem like it'd be a deal breaker.
 
He is a career 32% three point shooter, and around 40% on jumpers, not really what we need on the wing. Just draft Sam Dekker if you like Harris, both bigger SFs that can do alot of things except shoot.
 
I've only seen, like, a dozen games featuring Tobias Harris, and I've never been THAT impressed.

I, for one, think there is a starting spot totally up for grabs: the 2 or 3, opposite Hayward. Burks has an inside edge for the job, but that certainly shouldn't preclude from acquiring talent.

In the end, though, I agree with mellow: doesn't seem like jazz material. Also, I'm not at all confident that his play translates into a winning program. Hesitations abound.
 
I started this in another thread, but let's go backwards.

As of now, for next year, the Jazz are on the hook for right around 63 million dollars in salary for 13 players, one restricted free agent, and one unrestricted free agent. That's this current moment.

Here's the breakdown.

Jazz have 45.5 M guaranteed for 7 players.
950K for Jarrett. I'm reading conflicting info on whether this upcoming year is guaranteed, unguaranteed, or a team option, so I'm putting it by itself.

4.525 M unguaranteed to Booker 250k is guaranteed, an unimportant amount for this purpose. Has to be waived before July 15.

845K x3 to three D-Leaguers. All unguaranteed fully so far as I can see.
981K to Johnson. Also unguaranteed. I'm betting this is actually a veterans min contract, so would count toward the 845K salary cap and the NBA picks up the rest.
So we'll say 845K x4 for 3.38 million

Ingles has a QO of just north of 1 million, so we'll leave it there, for now. I think it's realistically 1.1 million, though.

Jeremy Evans has a cap hold of 3.41 million. This counts toward the salary cap and grants the Jazz Evans' Bird rights.

The #12 draft pick rookie scale deal at 120% is 2.24 million.

So, the max cap room the Jazz can have is 67-48, so 19 million with 8 players.

Min cap room is about 6.5 million.

This is at July 1 if nothing happens at draft.



Quick decisions have to be made. A 13 Million dollar deal while keeping Booker pretty much soaks up the entirety of the cap. Didn't look too hard to see if min salary, unfilled roster spots to 13 is forced into the cap or not, limiting the ACTUAL amount the Jazz could offer Harris without renouncing Booker. If that's the case, then it'd probably be more in the high 11 million dollar range that the Jazz could offer Tobias without releasing Booker. And if the Jazz go higher, and Orlando matches, then Booker is waved and would have to resign him if he hadn't already signed during the matching period.

Not sure the Jazz would do that unless there's a trade beforehand.
 
NAOS said:
I've only seen, like, a dozen games featuring Tobias Harris, and I've never been THAT impressed.

I, for one, think there is a starting spot totally up for grabs: the 2 or 3, opposite Hayward. Burks has an inside edge for the job, but that certainly shouldn't preclude from acquiring talent.

In the end, though, I agree with mellow: doesn't seem like jazz material. Also, I'm not at all confident that his play translates into a winning program. Hesitations abound.
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Great post.
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Was just curious... Appreciate the insights. Wasn't sure if someone had seen more of him and felt strongly about him. He's only 22 so he could still improve but I'm not sure he's worth the dough it'd take to nab him. Hadn't seen him discusses in other places. I'm going to abandone this idea and continue to find different ways to show my love for frank the Tank... I'm buying a jersey if we pick him.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Didn't look too hard to see if min salary, unfilled roster spots to 13 is forced into the cap or not, limiting the ACTUAL amount the Jazz could offer Harris without renouncing Booker.
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Please let me know if you figure that out, was wondering the same thing myself. My guess is that minimum salary spots to bring number up to 13 do NOT get counted into the cap number. But it's really just a guess.
 
colton said:
Please let me know if you figure that out, was wondering the same thing myself. My guess is that minimum salary spots to bring number up to 13 do NOT get counted into the cap number. But it's really just a guess.
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43. Let's say a team arranges for all of its players to become free agents at the same time. If they renounce everybody, do they then have a team salary of $0 and a full cap under which to work?

No. There are lots of things that are included in team salary besides active contracts -- see question number 14 for a full list. Note especially that there is a roster charge when a team has fewer than 12 players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks -- so even if a team has no contracts and renounces all its free agents, exceptions and draft picks, it will still have a non-zero team salary.
 
colton said:
Please let me know if you figure that out, was wondering the same thing myself. My guess is that minimum salary spots to bring number up to 13 do NOT get counted into the cap number. But it's really just a guess.
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A little strange, but I believe it is only roster spots up to 12 get counted. And yes, that includes placeholders if there are not sufficient players under contract and first round picks to get to 12 players. The cap also includes all exceptions. The Jazz would be slightly under $55M with their #12 pick, Millsap and 1 minimum salary roster spot. I'm counting Jerrett because I believe he has a guaranteed contract for next season. Utah could free up some additional cash by cutting Millsap and trading Jerrett and their #12 pick. So there ARE ways to free up a maximum salary slot without getting rid of Booker (assuming the cap increases to $67-$68M).

If the Jazz did use up all their cap space on 1 free agent, they would only have the room-exception to fill out their roster, which is half the full-MLE, IINM. I assume they could probably sign guys like Millsap, Ingles and Cooley or Motum for $520K-$1M each.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm of the opinion add the talented player and figure it out but I'm not sure the player would be.
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That didn't work out so well for Phoenix. He is a fine player but as you mentioned there are some issues with minutes and his role on the team. I don't see him being interested in coming here. Furthermore, there are greater needs to fill in like a backup C and a veteran pg (if Burke doesn't show improvement).
 
Folks, trading Burks at $10mm/yr for Harris at $13mm/yr is not a real value upgrade imho. Burks was set for a breakout year last year before the injury. It will come this year. He will have value with a really good contract compared to the inflation that we are about to see.

Harris is a nice player. Young. Good asset. But, not in lieu of Burks. I would also see prefer Barnes because his demeanor matches Jazz basketball and I have been very impressed with him as one of the solid, less visible players in a Warrior's uniform. Burks + H. Barnes + Hayward + Hood is a flexible, solid, and diverse group of forwards/shooting guards in my humble opinion. Hood and Harrison might be a little redundant, but come at a fraction of the cost of Barns for Burks.
 
He's a bit of a tweener, but I wonder if he can be a good piece for us. The Magic just hired Scott Skiles and Harris and Skiles were on horrible terms in Milwaukee according to reports. It is very possible they won't be matching an offer or they'd try to do a sign and trade.
 
I don't know that much about Harris, but if it's true that he's tweenerish, then he's not starting on this team, and he's not going anywhere as a free agent where he is not starting, nor would he be paid what is being suggested, not SHOULD either thing happen.
 
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