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I guarantee you at several times in your life you will need health care - there is no choice involved. And on at least one or two of those occassions it will be very, very expensive. If you're not covered and you're broke someone will have to pay for it.

I never said there wasn't any benefit. There are always benefits and disadvantages to going the Marxist control route, same as every other governmental choice we make. Setting this precedent would have wide reaching implications down the road, not to mention the immediately adverse quality of life disadvantages to many, or the opportunity to politicize health decisions like has happened in Europe. Good luck being a senior citizen who would have been able to get that hip replacement under the current system but it's not authorized under the new politically manufactured coverage tables. "Someone will have to pay for it" suddenly becomes "no one will pay for it". The next year money gets tighter and so do those coverage tables. Let's Go Greece!

We could have learned our lessons from pushing the everyone deserves to own a home initiative to the point where no one could afford a home, things collapsed, and otherwise capable adults were no longer able to work and afford to purchase their own health insurance. Now we're looking the debt tipping point in the face while adding another $2 trillion mandate and praying everything rebounds at an acceptable rate with no external shocks to the system that are entirely unknown and out of our hands if they were. Not to mention how much it's pissing everyone off that we're still floating the banks China style. Another wealth transfer away from the common to the controlling class.

I hope everything works out, and it probably will, but we're setting up the next crisis right now. Then the government will have this new little tool known as a SCOTUS decision setting precedent to force us to purchase something, and that will allow a plethora of new "solutions" to this next crisis.

Now where's One Brow to call me a fear mongerer?
 
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Good luck being a senior citizen who would have been able to get that hip replacement under the current system but it's not authorized under the new politically manufactured coverage tables.
Yep. The best way to run the system is to throw loads of money into replacement hips for those who won't be alive long enough to use them.
 
Yep. The best way to run the system is to throw loads of money into replacement hips for those who won't be alive long enough to use them.

But I thought it was all about providing coverage to those who cannot afford it themselves. You mean it's really about building and controlling a system? You don't say. Screw all these people making their own choices. Freedom sucks anyway.
 
Yep. The best way to run the system is to throw loads of money into replacement hips for those who won't be alive long enough to use them.


This is an argument AGAINST the ACA, yes?
 
Driving is not an inherent right but living is.
Driving puts the lives of others at risk. Living doesn't.

Are you saying it is okay for the state government to force a driver to purchase insurance for liability reasons?

I don't know that I agree with that.
The state government should have no more right to force a contract/purchase than the feds.
It is states that have taken the Obamacare mandate to the Supreme Court, but who would have the funds and desire to fight each individual state on the car insurance mandate?
 
Are you saying it is okay for the state government to force a driver to purchase insurance for liability reasons?

I don't know that I agree with that.

Why not?

The state government should have no more right to force a contract/purchase than the feds.

Huh? States have rights the central government does not. That's a huge point of this whole system of local governance combined with sufficiently strong overriding central powers to keep things operational.

It is states that have taken the Obamacare mandate to the Supreme Court, but who would have the funds and desire to fight each individual state on the car insurance mandate?

You would only have to win the case against one state to make a mandate in the other 49 unconstitutional (i.e. Tennessee vs Garner).
 
I read that they will probably make a decision today but that the decision will not be released until June or so. After they write their reports and findigns and circulate those thru the other justices.

Kind of interesting seeing how all that works.
 
Because it is still government coercion.

Huh? States have rights the central government does not. That's a huge point of this whole system of local governance combined with sufficiently strong overriding central powers to keep things operational.

You would only have to win the case against one state to make a mandate in the other 49 unconstitutional (i.e. Tennessee vs Garner).

The states don't have the right to do anything that is unconstitutional.
The constitution is used to strike down state law as you point out.
 
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