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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Man I can't imagine what it must be like to be a cop in the US. Ive been working in security 20 years, had two guns pulled on me in that time. I would imagine that if I was doing what I do in the states I'd have likely been shot by now or had to shoot someone.

Then look at the pay, im a government employee, my job in the US would likely be some sort of police role but im on nearly 2.5 times the pay a cop in the us gets. Whats a rookie cop get 32k? **** that. Last year was my worst year in terms of pay and I still made over 70k. Most years I make 80+ US.
The police where I live make more than that.

It also has less crime than Melbourne.
 
The police where I live make more than that.

It also has less crime than Melbourne.
Yeah we talk about police salaries being low, and believe me I still think they need to be paid more, as it's a difficult and thankless job, but they are definitely not living in poverty. Most cops I know are doing very well.
 
The police where I live make more than that.

It also has less crime than Melbourne.

Dude I've been to San Diego its a ********. **** that piss poor online survey off.
 
Dude I've been to San Diego its a ********. **** that piss poor online survey off.
Sorry you had a bad time. San Diego does its best to be friendly. Even our sharks are super chill and never bite people.


...and coming from Utah I was accustomed to being surrounded by beautiful scenery but in moving to San Diego for university (Go Aztecs!) it kicked up a notch. The hottest girl in all of Australia would just be another girl in San Diego.


 
Yeah we talk about police salaries being low, and believe me I still think they need to be paid more, as it's a difficult and thankless job, but they are definitely not living in poverty. Most cops I know are doing very well.
Most cops are able to do their full time jobs and double dip to do well-paid other security jobs. Cops do better than most public employees I know. Especially since they don’t require college education, unlike many other similarly compensated public sector professions. And I don’t want to hear them whine, a lot of public sector jobs right now suck. Try being a mayor or a teacher with all the crazy people blowing up city council meetings and school board meetings with conspiracies.
 
I honestly believe one problem we have in our democracy is the blind worship we make of law enforcement and the armed services. We’re creating a special class of citizen. One that has all the weapons and doesn’t have any accountability and the other being the wussy citizenry. When the protected class that we worship tramples the wussy citizenry, we shouldn’t act surprised. Why shouldn’t they feel better than the rest of us? They're worshipped everywhere and given benefits everywhere. Their unions are the most powerful in the country.

Law enforcement has the most power in our country and the least amount of accountability.

That’s not good. Is there another democracy that operates the same? We’re supposed to have a citizen soldier, not a special class of gladiators who can then leave the military and make a profession of law enforcement.
 
I just saw that the officer who killed Dante Wright was found guilty of manslaughter for shooting him with her gun instead of a taser.

I admit, I hadn’t paid attention to this at all. I have no idea whether he’s black or white. Yet I was not surprised that it happened in Minneapolis (same place as George Floyd) and it was over… expired registration.

Which brings up the main question asked almost two years ago: do we really need the police to handle these situations?

Broken taillights, expired registration, giving someone a counterfeit $20, I mean seriously??? Is that really worth their salary? Is it really worth risking escalation like we just saw with Dante Wright or George Floyd? Can’t expired registration be handled differently?

Earlier this year my wife let her car registration expire. Nothing malignant, she forgot about it. When she went to get her oil changed, the mechanic let her know that her registration had expired. No guns were needed. Didn't need cops. She paid to have the registration done there and we got the sticker. In 15 mins the issue was resolved and no one died from it.

It’s almost 2022, why are the police still wasting time with stupid issues like taillights and expired stickers?
 
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I just saw that the officer who killed Dante Wright was found guilty of manslaughter for shooting him with her gun instead of a taser.

I admit, I hadn’t paid attention to this at all. I have no idea whether he’s black or white. Yet I was not surprised that it happened in Minneapolis (same place as George Floyd) and it was over… expired registration.

Which brings up the main question asked almost two years ago: do we really need the police to handle these situations?

Broken taillights, expired registration, giving someone a counterfeit $20, I mean seriously??? Is that really worth their salary? Is it really worth risking escalation like we just saw with Dante Wright or George Floyd? Can’t expired registration be handled differently?

Earlier this year my wife let her car registration expire. Nothing malignant, she forgot about it. When she went to get her oil changed, the mechanic let her know that her registration had expired. No guns were needed. Didn't need cops. She paid to have the registration done there and we got the sticker. In 15 mins the issue was resolved and no one died from it.

It’s almost 2022, why are the police still wasting time with stupid issues like taillights and expired stickers?
A huge portion of traffic stops are not done because they are interested in the actual reason/justification for the stop. They pull people over and then go fishing for bigger charges.

I highly encourage everyone, when you've been pulled over by police to first be polite and calm. Second, politely decline to answer questions. If they ask if you know why you've been pulled over just say "I'd prefer not to answer any questions officer," If they ask where you're going, "I'd prefer not to answer any questions officer." Have you been drinking? Do you have any drugs or weapons in the vehicle? Simply indicate that you aren't answering any questions. If they ask for you to voluntarily let them search your vehicle "I do not consent to searches."

Now if that pisses them off, that's okay. Be polite and be calm. If they tell you to get out of the vehicle, do it. If they search you or your car without consent, let them.

If they are taking more time than necessary to deal with the initial justification for the stop ask them if you're free to go and indicate that you'd like to be on your way.

The police need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain you for something other than the initial reason for the traffic stop. If they detain you anyway then it is very likely that anything they charge you with will be dismissed based on the legality of their actions. Let the police violate their policies and the law. Don't fight with them or resist them or get in an argument with them over their actions.

After the encounter is over file a complaint with their department if they acted inappropriately. File a FOIA request for all bodycam, dashcam footage from the encounter. If they violated your rights or assaulted you contact a lawyer and determine if a lawsuit should be filed.

You have every right to remain silent. Your silence cannot be used as justification to escalate the encounter. If they use your silence against you then nothing they charge you with will stick. There is nothing at all to be gained by answering their questions. Their questions are not polite social interactions, they are investigatory tools they are using to provide the justification for them to escalate the investigation. You are being investigated every second of a traffic stop. Nothing you say will be used for your benefit. It might seem like an uncomfortable way to deal with the police, but it is the right way.
 
A huge portion of traffic stops are not done because they are interested in the actual reason/justification for the stop. They pull people over and then go fishing for bigger charges.

I highly encourage everyone, when you've been pulled over by police to first be polite and calm. Second, politely decline to answer questions. If they ask if you know why you've been pulled over just say "I'd prefer not to answer any questions officer," If they ask where you're going, "I'd prefer not to answer any questions officer." Have you been drinking? Do you have any drugs or weapons in the vehicle? Simply indicate that you aren't answering any questions. If they ask for you to voluntarily let them search your vehicle "I do not consent to searches."

Now if that pisses them off, that's okay. Be polite and be calm. If they tell you to get out of the vehicle, do it. If they search you or your car without consent, let them.

If they are taking more time than necessary to deal with the initial justification for the stop ask them if you're free to go and indicate that you'd like to be on your way.

The police need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain you for something other than the initial reason for the traffic stop. If they detain you anyway then it is very likely that anything they charge you with will be dismissed based on the legality of their actions. Let the police violate their policies and the law. Don't fight with them or resist them or get in an argument with them over their actions.

After the encounter is over file a complaint with their department if they acted inappropriately. File a FOIA request for all bodycam, dashcam footage from the encounter. If they violated your rights or assaulted you contact a lawyer and determine if a lawsuit should be filed.

You have every right to remain silent. Your silence cannot be used as justification to escalate the encounter. If they use your silence against you then nothing they charge you with will stick. There is nothing at all to be gained by answering their questions. Their questions are not polite social interactions, they are investigatory tools they are using to provide the justification for them to escalate the investigation. You are being investigated every second of a traffic stop. Nothing you say will be used for your benefit. It might seem like an uncomfortable way to deal with the police, but it is the right way.
I get this but if im pulled over for speeding or something and i haven't been drinking or doing drugs and have nothing illegal in my vehicle then i will simply answer their questions and allow them to search whatever they want. Maybe they even let me off with a warning and I dont receive a speeding ticket.
 
I get this but if im pulled over for speeding or something and i haven't been drinking or doing drugs and have nothing illegal in my vehicle then i will simply answer their questions and allow them to search whatever they want. Maybe they even let me off with a warning and I dont receive a speeding ticket.
Yeah I mean my advice is not about getting away with committing crimes, it's about not providing an opening that allows to police to create something that doesn't exist, either intentionally or unintentionally.

And I really, really don't understand consenting to searches. All you have to do is say "I don't consent to searches." By submitting you are normalizing their expectation that they can search anyone's car anytime they want to and that refusing to allow a search is suspicious.

If you know any lawyers ask them if you should just freely answer police questions and allow them to search whatever they want. I know what lawyers (legal experts) say about this.

The police use these tactics to target certain people based on their own biased perspectives. It is an abuse and it results in deaths.
 
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