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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Gameface said:
That said, I'd need a lot more before I'd believe that reduction in police budgets by a few percentage points and similarly reduction in headcount by a few percentage points cause a skyrocket effect in violent crime. I think larger societal issues almost certainly played a larger role than minor changes in police budgets and headcounts.
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Especially when property crime went down at the same time.
 
Gameface said:
Okay, so I hadn't followed this issue much. I wasn't really aware that headcounts were reduced anywhere.

That said, I'd need a lot more before I'd believe that reduction in police budgets by a few percentage points and similarly reduction in headcount by a few percentage points cause a skyrocket effect in violent crime. I think larger societal issues almost certainly played a larger role than minor changes in police budgets and headcounts.

I'm prone to be proven wrong because of my lack of awareness on this issue, though. So I'm honestly open to information that is enlightening, not so open to info that in inflammatory.
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You can go to Google News and search "police short staffed" to get stories from nearly every city in the country. In the past 12 months local governments have thrown massive pay raises at police to reverse all the damage they did in 2020. I'll let you pick your own news on this topic because I'm confident that everywhere you look you'll find that headcounts went way down and government started to come to their senses by throwing truckloads of money at the problem they created. There are no shortage of politicians for which you can find sound bites saying words to the effect of "defund the police" only to pull a 180 a year later to talk up the value of law enforcement. This is going to be an ugly 2022 election campaign for many who got caught up in the virtue signaling hysteria and said things they thought were popular.
 
Speaking of law enforcement, if this doesn’t cause you to second guess what local police departments are doing, it should! One of the examples in this story:

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‘Unacceptable’: Utah police departments ignored their own policies, left deadly force uninvestigated

When a police officer in Utah shoots someone, a state law mandates that a separate law enforcement agency conduct a criminal investigation, which is presented to county prosecutors. But there is no state requirement for internal use-of-force investigations — reviews that serve to better...
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Raziel Rodas pulled over on the dark shoulder of Interstate 15 near Springville.

He and a friend had just run out of gas. It was a December 2017 evening, about 6:40 p.m., but they had extra fuel in their vehicle. Rodas climbed into the truck’s bed to pour it in the tank, leaning over the edge to avoid being hit by speeding traffic.

While awkwardly pouring the gas, however, he was hit in the back by something else: a bullet. He and his friend took cover, and the friend dialed 911.

A few lanes over, Brody and Erin Lambert were driving on the freeway with their four children when the back window of their pickup truck shattered, covering the kids in glass. The Lamberts quickly pulled off at a truck stop to call police.

The family and Rodas didn’t know they were in the middle of a police shooting, in which officers from the Utah County Sheriff’s Office and Spanish Fork police opened fire — some with high-powered assault rifles — and shot a total of 72 rounds during a traffic stop.
Their intended target, Arturo Gallemore-Jimenez, had shot out his truck window earlier that day in Nephi after locking himself out of the vehicle. He fled before police got to the scene, and as officers tried to pull him over on I-15, he fired three rounds at them. He was wanted out of Aurora, Colo., on suspicion of attempted murder from the day prior, though officers didn’t know it when they returned fire.

Gallemore-Jimenez suffered survivable injuries and was arrested shortly after. The Utah County Attorney’s Office decided it would not bring criminal charges against the officers. Still, the Spanish Fork Police Department decided to do what most Utah police departments do when an officer uses deadly force: investigate it internally, comparing the officer’s actions to department policy to determine if any policies had been violated.

A review concluded that the Spanish Fork officer’s actions were within policy, but the Use of Force Review Board recommended that future training should stress that officers be aware of their surroundings — especially nearby civilians — when utilizing lethal force.

The second agency involved, the Utah County Sheriff’s Office, did not conduct an internal investigation, an official confirmed. The office, which has a budget 12 times larger than Spanish Fork’s, also did not present a report to a Use of Force Review Board. And there’s no evidence any steps were taken to stress awareness of civilians in future use-of-force situations.
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One Brow said:
Are hotels short-staffed because of a "defund the hotels" movement? Are teachers short-staffed because of "defund the schools"? Restaurants? Hospitals? I could go on and on.
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Yes they are, but they named the movement "covid restrictions" rather than "defund the hotels" or "defund the restaurants".
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Yes they are, but they named the movement "covid restrictions" rather than "defund the hotels" or "defund the restaurants".
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You left out teachers and hospitals.

Covid19 made a lot of people sick and got a lot of people to retire. The police were not an exception. Claiming some magical defunding that barely happened in a few places won't change that.
 
One Brow said:
You left out teachers and hospitals.

Covid19 made a lot of people sick and got a lot of people to retire. The police were not an exception. Claiming some magical defunding that barely happened in a few places won't change that.
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COVID made a bunch of jobs available and no one to take them?

I don't follow.
 
Gameface said:
COVID made a bunch of jobs available and no one to take them?

I don't follow.
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A lot of people did drop out of the workforce, that is true. There is currently a worker shortage in most of the country in a lot of different industries. We cannot find warehouse workers right now, so we pay a lot more than we used to just to attract folks. As soon as their hours drop off at all, like this week one of my main customers had a lull in one of my buildings, and we had a few temps sent home early 2 days, so half of them just said, **** it, I'm out, and they will likely be placed before the day is through at another place probably making more than we pay. Nature of the beast right now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
A lot of people did drop out of the workforce, that is true. There is currently a worker shortage in most of the country in a lot of different industries. We cannot find warehouse workers right now, so we pay a lot more than we used to just to attract folks. As soon as their hours drop off at all, like this week one of my main customers had a lull in one of my buildings, and we had a few temps sent home early 2 days, so half of them just said, **** it, I'm out, and they will likely be placed before the day is through at another place probably making more than we pay. Nature of the beast right now.
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So there wasn't a defund warehouses campaign behind it?
 
When the police detain you don't make it "an easy day to be in law enforcement" make it a day when they need to follow all rules and conduct their investigation without your assistance.

 
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