Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Miggs]

Food for thought.

The number of unarmed black people killed by law enforcement last year was less than the number of unarmed white people who were killed. 9 to 14 iirc.

I'm not absolving Chauvin of responsibility here. He deserves to serve decades if not life.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Suggesting they didn't do "anything at all" is not accurate. They reportedly told the guy to get off of him, at least twice. It's also not safe to assume that they knew George Floyd was going to die (I highly doubt they thought that would happen). There is clearly a level of trust that someone has for the person that is training them for these types of situations. I think you, me, and virtually everyone else would do the same thing they did. Suggest a different tactic that is less dangerous, then when told otherwise, follow the orders of the person that has 15 years more experience than you do.

If that's not what you personally would have done, enlighten us as to what your actions would have been. Physically remove him? Shoot him?

The guy also had a laundry list of complaints against him... was made a trainer... so these guys likely thought anything forceful would mean they are fired... and agree they didn't know he would die.

Officers need to have a healthy fear that if they use excessive force they can lose their job and be prosecuted. Same thing with civilians in Stand Your Ground situations. It is clear that some of these individuals are reprehensible beings but maybe they will do the right thing out of self interest.

 

[fishonjazz]

Food for thought.

The number of unarmed black people killed by law enforcement last year was less than the number of unarmed white people who were killed. 9 to 14 iirc.

I'm not absolving Chauvin of responsibility here. He deserves to serve decades if not life.

The numbers that need to be included along with your numbers is total number of black people in the country vs total number of white people in the country.

Makes the numbers you posted look much different.

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[BabyPeterzz]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...n-was-training-them-lawyer-says/#194508592aa1

It's unfortunate how little media coverage this has received. The fact that two of the officers had only been on the job for 2-3 days and were classified as "in training" is something everyone needs to consider before judging these former police officers. The fact that Chauvin was training them is a giant black eye on the department. If reports are accurate that both of these trainees suggested that Chauvin should get off of George Floyd and to place him in the patrol vehicle, I'm not sure it's appropriate to charge them of a crime. Is it reasonable to expect a brand new officer to do more than what they did? I would image that 90% of people would have acted in the same way that these new officers did. If you believe you would of acted differently, I'm curious as to what you would have done. Physically removed Chauvin? Pulled your firearm and demanded him to get off Floyd?

I'm wondering if it's appropriate to bring charges against the police chief or other officers leaders of the department. Some of this is clearly an organizational failure and I'm not sure it's right to place all of the fault on the officers who were asked to respond. (The exception being Chauvin, who clearly needs to spend a long time in prison).

Here in lies the problem. Those cops should be trained to intervene if someone is being murdered by another cop. The blue line has protected them for so long, they don’t even question their own actions or the actions of fellow cops.

They need to set an example with these two. Your silence makes you complicate. Period.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

The numbers that need to be included along with your numbers is total number of black people in the country vs total number of white people in the country.

Makes the numbers you posted look much different.

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I'm also not sure where these numbers are coming from and I would question the accuracy of any statistic in the matter.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Food for thought.

The number of unarmed black people killed by law enforcement last year was less than the number of unarmed white people who were killed. 9 to 14 iirc.

I'm not absolving Chauvin of responsibility here. He deserves to serve decades if not life.

Black non-Hispanics make up 12% of the population and, using your data, account for 40% of unarmed murders by police.

See the problem yet?

Btw, you’ll have trouble finding a data point that casts blame on black people. I would give it up.


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[JimLes]

. they likely thought he was roughing the guy up and being aggressive... which based on the videos I'm seeing online is par for the course unfortunately.

It boggles my mind that any reasonable person would think that anything that happened was legal, but you're probably right. I think some people join the force assuming this kind of stuff is normal. And kosher.

 

[Miggs]

The numbers that need to be included along with your numbers is total number of black people in the country vs total number of white people in the country.

Makes the numbers you posted look much different.

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I want to apologize. I knew what you said in advance but thought the % of whites was lower and blacks was higher than what it is in this country. Basically there are six times as many whites which means based on the data I gave, blacks have a 4x greater chance of being killed than a white.

Awful and I feel ashamed that I even posted it.

 

[Miggs]

Black non-Hispanics make up 12% of the population and, using your data, account for 40% of unarmed murders by police.

See the problem yet?

Btw, you’ll have trouble finding a data point that casts blame on black people. I would give it up.


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Give it up? Have I sat here and posted against blacks over the last ten days? I made a flawed post and owned up to it just now. Save the self-righteousness. It’s sort of nauseating tbpfh as if you, a white person mind you, knows exactly what the right approach is for all this as you stand on your perch and preach, but all other whites don’t. Sort of laughably ironic tbh.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

The numbers that need to be included along with your numbers is total number of black people in the country vs total number of white people in the country.
Makes the numbers you posted look much different.

It's also worth factoring in where people live. Black people, on average, live in relatively poorer places. Impoverished places tend to have more crime, which leads to more police, and more deaths at the hands of police.

Edit: This is not meant as a post to place blame. Rather just to consider what potential corrective action should be. 100% of the focus can't purely be on changing police departments, but also on finding ways to empower minorities to escape poverty.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Good. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Time for these losers to get real jobs.

 

[MVP]

Do you guys see USA at some point imploding like USSR or Yugoslavia did and going through some kind of civil war and eventually splitting into smaller states/countries, etc? Just looks like your country is such a mess right now and doubt it will be any better now matter who wins presidential race in November.