Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[The Thriller]

Violence by far right is among US’s most dangerous terrorist threats, study finds

Center for Strategic and International Studies analysis of domestic terrorist incidents found majority have come from far right

www.theguardian.com

The report says “the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of rightwing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years”, with the far right launching two-thirds of attacks and plots in 2019, and 90% of those in 2020.

The report adds: “Far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators.” The second most significant source of attacks and plots in the US has been “religious extremists”, almost all “Salafi jihadists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaida”.

The report shows the far left has been an increasingly negligible source of attacks since the mid 2000s.

The far right Terrorists that have infiltrated our police and military establishments who regard Trump as their vessel to create a white ethno State worry me far more than a bunch of bored college kids wearing helmets.

 

[Archie Moses]

The far right Terrorists that have infiltrated our police and military establishments who regard Trump as their vessel to create a white ethno State worry me far more than a bunch of bored college kids wearing helmets.

I worry about the far white extremist ***** too. 100%

In your opinion, is there need to worry about the influenced, sensationalized induced violence happening because of stereotypes and automatic assumptions? I know you think I'm "far right." I'm very liberal when it comes to social policies, I hate guns, support the LGBT community and realize there's systematic racism. I'd like to think I'm open minded and capable of growth, even if you and @One Brow wanna continue to call me far right (I take offense to that and think you're a **** for doing so because it's based on you being simple-minded about my opinions - the same damn problem you say you're fighting for.)

My question is, while we both worry about Trump and dislike him in office, do you worry about the radical left as well as the right? I worry about both and they both make me sad.

I see through the click-bait and sensationalism that eggs on violence, destruction, race baiting, witch hunting (just yesterday someone used a post of mine from 10 years ago to define who I am today,) as much as I can while understanding I can still learn.

Even with Trump in office, humans are progressing, understanding, and evolving. 100%. That doesn't mean bad and unnecessary **** shouldn't happen but the idea behind people being upset and therefore can do what they want and hurt others is outdated and no better than an eye-for-an-eye.

 

[fishonjazz]

do you worry about the radical left as well as the right?

My answer to this is yes.

But let me ask another couple of questions

What is it that the radical left wants? What is it that the radical right wants?

What would a world look like if the radical left had all their wildest dreams come true?

Same question for the right.

My guesses? The left wants equality for everyone (though their methods of achieving it aren't always the best). They are against fascism, racism, etc. I think their perfect world everyone is equal, happy and peaceful.

The right wants to be superior to everyone else. They want guns and money. In their perfect world they would have everything they want at the expense of everyone else.

Thoughts?

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[Darkwing Duck]

The right wants to be superior to everyone else. They want guns and money. In their perfect world they would have everything they want at the expense of everyone else.

Thoughts?

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Anyway. I don't believe that's what the right wants. They want success to be based on merit and concept of hard work. However, only certain people get to choose what merit and success is and actively ignore or deny that certain people start 50m ahead in a 100m race and then want to celebrate the "winners."

 

[Red]

My question is, while we both worry about Trump and dislike him in office, do you worry about the radical left as well as the right? I worry about both and they both make me sad.

A recent look at American extremism across the political spectrum, and projections through 2020 and beyond:

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen in the next year, particularly around the 2020 presidential election. The most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists could also pose a threat.

www.csis.org

First, right-wing terrorism refers to the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities whose goals may include racial or ethnic supremacy; opposition to government authority; anger at women, including from the incel (“involuntary celibate”) movement; and outrage against certain policies, such as abortion.6 This analysis uses the term “right-wing terrorism” rather than “racially- and ethnically-motivated violent extremism,” or REMVE, which is used by some in the U.S. government.7 Second, left-wing terrorism involves the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities that oppose capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism; pursue environmental or animal rights issues; espouse pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support a decentralized social and political system such as anarchism.

 

[Red]

My question is, while we both worry about Trump and dislike him in office, do you worry about the radical left as well as the right? I worry about both and they both make me sad.

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have a ONEPLUS...

Anyway. I don't believe that's what the right wants. They want success to be based on merit and concept of hard work. However, only certain people get to choose what merit and success is and actively ignore or deny that certain people start 50m ahead in a 100m race and then want to celebrate the "winners."

Good response.
What ONEPLUS do you have? I love this phone. Have had it almost a year now and it's by far the best phone I ever had. (OnePlus 6T)

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[One Brow]

... @One Brow wanna continue to call me far right ...

I don't think you're far right, but you are on the right side of the spectrum. I do recognize gradations exist.

 

[Archie Moses]

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

Maybe the arrest don't seem to support that because we're reading and seeing different things?

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't think you're far right, but you are on the right side of the spectrum. I do recognize gradations exist.

I do have conservative/right views. 100%. Just like I have liberal views. 100%

It's frustrating to me because that doesn't define who I am and I'd like to think I'm malleable and capable of learning/progressing.

While I'm at it...

The ideology behind defining/shaming/blaming people's past is a mob mentality and not helpful imo. It's my whole point in the James Gunn thread. You called me a victim blamer and brought up a thread from 10 years ago. Although I didn't have an outrageous opinion I think differently today because I've grown.

Honest questions, dude. Are people defined by their past? Should their past define them? And lastly, if people change/grow/evolve should we judge their character today by their past?

 

[Archie Moses]

I just want to point out, that it is apparently in Donald Trump and Bill Barr’s political interest to blame Antifa for violence during the recent nationwide protests, yet, as I believe I posted, via links, earlier in this thread, police department arrests and statements don’t seem to support that. And that fact is behind the fact that I decided to post our IC’s conclusions regarding their assessment of which extremist end of the political spectrum is presently, and in the future, posing the greatest danger where domestic terrorism is concerned. As well, Trump tweeted recently that he intended to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Yet, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe that designation is permitted for domestic organizations, and, for that matter, I don’t believe Antifa has a central organization.

And, although I am hardly the type to dress in battle gear and attack far right agitators in pitch battles, I am most certainly anti-fascist. I posted a link from the New York Review of Books, sorry, forget which thread, I’m thinking the impeach Trump thread, which was a superb, long essay, describing the history of fascist organizations, personages, and movements in the United States, beginning with the Reconstruction Era’s original rendition of the KKK, which can, and has been, identified as the earliest fascist organization in the modern era. Most look to Europe for the origins of fascism, but it’s earliest manifestation was in the United States. And, although people have resisted, in the old vein known as “it can’t happen here”, the fact seems to be that the fascist strain in America seems to have reached the Oval Office, for the first time in our history, in the person of Donald Trump.

@Red I just wanna say you're a better man than me and your posts are enlightening and not condescending.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm equally sure that if a right-wing protestor shot a guy running over other right-wing protestors, you'd support that shooter then.

@One Brow you don't think I'm "far right" and yet make offensive, silly and wrong assumptions as if I'm far right.

Does bullying tactics like this make you feel good? Like you're superior and morally superior?

 

[Red]

Maybe the arrest don't seem to support that because we're reading and seeing different things?

Yeah, maybe reading different things. I’ve posted articles in which various police departments disputed the Antifa connection regarding arrests, but I’m not up for searching for them now. I would guess this thread, but I’m not certain.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yeah, maybe reading different things. I’ve posted articles in which various police departments disputed the Antifa connection regarding arrests, but I’m not up for searching for them now. I would guess this thread, but I’m not certain.

How dare you be so reasonable. Haha


You're the man, Red.

 

[Red]

@Red I just wanna say you're a better man than me and your posts are enlightening and not condescending.

I would never say I’m a better man than you. I also have noticed we share some of the same interests, such as ufology, visiting petroglyph sites in Utah, probably other stuff. And you’re a good man, I have no reason to think otherwise. I’m just leary of focusing on Antifa in the recent protest movement. In general, I wish there were more emphasis on the goals advocated by the overwhelmingly peaceful protests in the United States, as well as the inspiring sight of seeing movements for racial and social justice appearing around the world in direct response to what is happening here. That is heartening to me. Historical movements can take a very long time to play out, or to illuminate what they were actually all about. That is not always easy to perceive in the early stages. We are one species, inhabiting one fragile planet. I do believe one day we will all of us realize that, and the world will be a far better place. I don’t think it will be in my lifetime, and I suspect we have not even begun to see the pain involved in arriving in that better place. But, I believe we are spiritual beings on a human journey, which is how near death survivor Dannion Brinkley once put it, and I have many good reasons to embrace that concept. There is a purpose to our existence, and I will not let unenlightened people dissuade me from that belief. Has not stopped me from pointing out right wing extremism though, so maybe I’m more of a hypocrite than I care to admit.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Good response.
What ONEPLUS do you have? I love this phone. Have had it almost a year now and it's by far the best phone I ever had. (OnePlus 6T)

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7T

 

[gandalfe]

7T

I miss my OnePlus. I got a Pixel when it was time to change last year, and I kind of regret it. I'll probably get a OnePlus again next time.

 

[Archie Moses]

I get it. You advise trans people to represent themselves in a manner they feel is inauthentic and reveal deeply personal information to complete strangers. You don't think this is victim-blaming.

I advise all people to represent who they are sexually on dating sites.

The idea of you taking this as victim blaming is as expected coming from you.

How dare I!

 

[Archie Moses]

Detroit....

What do people expect to happen?

I don't know the context of what happened before. From what I saw in the video, if you're a jackass bully that surrounds and intimidates people during your protest, you're the instigator and the problem.

 

[Archie Moses]

I would never say I’m a better man than you. I also have noticed we share some of the same interests, such as ufology, visiting petroglyph sites in Utah, probably other stuff. And you’re a good man, I have no reason to think otherwise. I’m just leary of focusing on Antifa in the recent protest movement. In general, I wish there were more emphasis on the goals advocated by the overwhelmingly peaceful protests in the United States, as well as the inspiring sight of seeing movements for racial and social justice appearing around the world in direct response to what is happening here. That is heartening to me. Historical movements can take a very long time to play out, or to illuminate what they were actually all about. That is not always easy to perceive in the early stages. We are one species, inhabiting one fragile planet. I do believe one day we will all of us realize that, and the world will be a far better place. I don’t think it will be in my lifetime, and I suspect we have not even begun to see the pain involved in arriving in that better place. But, I believe we are spiritual beings on a human journey, which is how near death survivor Dannion Brinkley once put it, and I have many good reasons to embrace that concept. There is a purpose to our existence, and I will not let unenlightened people dissuade me from that belief. Has not stopped me from pointing out right wing extremism though, so maybe I’m more of a hypocrite than I care to admit.

This is a great post, man. You don't have to say or think you're a better man, you are. I admire you.