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Love that people are open to taking the swing in this scenario for Wiseman.

His upside is wild. Sure, it’s more likely he flames out but if you get him anywhere near his potential, that’s a theft for KO.
 


HermanG said:
Even though KO doesnt play 5 on offense, he really struggles to defend anything but 5s. So you might be right.

Problem is Vando has had 4 games playing 4 now... he was awesome against Detroit (his best game to date) but bad vs Bucks and Cavs and abysmal against Wizards.

So if we trade out KO, we need a new forward who can play 3 and 4... bringing Vando in from the bench.
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Kyle Kuzma or John Collins
 
HermanG said:
Even though KO doesnt play 5 on offense, he really struggles to defend anything but 5s. So you might be right.

Problem is Vando has had 4 games playing 4 now... he was awesome against Detroit (his best game to date) but bad vs Bucks and Cavs and abysmal against Wizards.

So if we trade out KO, we need a new forward who can play 3 and 4... bringing Vando in from the bench.
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You don't really need to trade for a need. Just get the best assets possible.
 
sip said:
As far as I know Wiseman doesn't really have any character red flags. His primary issue is that he basically missed 1 1/2 years of basketball development because they had issues getting his knee right. Then he only played a few games at Memphis because of an NCAA investigation and deciding he wanted to focus on the draft. That is a ton of missed development time for any player but particularly a big man. He is definitely the type of player that I would love to get a look at without having to worry about expectations.
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There was absolutely nothing stopping Wiseman from working on his skills and game even though he wasn't playing college ball. Instead, he did nothing. We're seeing the results now.

The guy is terrible. A true bust. The thought of giving up a proven, productive, multi skilled NBA player like Olynyk for him is pure madness. Wiseman should be out of the league.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You don't really need to trade for a need. Just get the best assets possible.
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Yeah but I wanna see what we can do this year since we aint gonna get high draft just by getting rid of KO and the West is a mess.

Im not high on stacking more picks right now. So either upgrade or at least trade for a better fit (with Kessler). Maybe someone who brings D and rebounding... which we both need.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
There was absolutely nothing stopping Wiseman from working on his skills and game even though he wasn't playing college ball. Instead, he did nothing. We're seeing the results now.

The guy is terrible. A true bust. The thought of giving up a proven, productive, multi skilled NBA player like Olynyk for him is pure madness. Wiseman should be out of the league.
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Lightning must’ve struck @Tremendous Upside in the brain because he’s right about this.
 
Bodhi said:
Love that people are open to taking the swing in this scenario for Wiseman.

His upside is wild. Sure, it’s more likely he flames out but if you get him anywhere near his potential, that’s a theft for KO.
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What is his potential? I mean, he's literally never showed anything in the league. It's just a pipe dream, people will see what they want to see.

With Wiseman, it's not like he's some super raw generational talent that just needs some guidance and the right framework around him. His lack of ball skills is one thing, but the guy has one of the lowest BBIQ's in the NBA. He simply doesn't understand basketball, and you can't start learning that extremely basic stuff at this point.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
What is his potential? I mean, he's literally never showed anything in the league. It's just a pipe dream, people will see what they want to see.

With Wiseman, it's not like he's some super raw generational talent that just needs some guidance and the right framework around him. His lack of ball skills is one thing, but the guy has one of the lowest BBIQ's in the NBA. He simply doesn't understand basketball, and you can't start learning that extremely basic stuff at this point.
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Watch his highlights in the national basketball association and if you don’t think you see tremendous upside, I can respect that.

I would disagree. But if my stance makes you as angry as it seems, I’ll retract and go on with my life.
 
I'd like to see something like KO and THT or KO and Gay to the Heat ,Jazz get the Heat 1st lottery protected in 23 top 10 in 24 then 2 2nds + Nikola Jovic for eating Duncan Robinsons contract.
Send Mike to Toronto w a future Cavs swap rights or one of the Wolves picks with protection for GTJ and Koloko or and Banton
 
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Bodhi said:
Love that people are open to taking the swing in this scenario for Wiseman.

His upside is wild. Sure, it’s more likely he flames out but if you get him anywhere near his potential, that’s a theft for KO.
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I have more confidence Josh Jackson figures it out that Wiseman at this point
 
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