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Jingled said:
I agree changes should be made but trading Rudy ain't it. Every avenue should be explored to re-tool around Rudy and Donovan. If we trade Rudy, I'd just as soon trade Don too and just blow the whole ****ing thing up.
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How the heck are we supposed to retool around Rudy and Don if our only assets are expiring Bojan, old Mike, and bad contracts Clarkson and Gay?

At some point, people have to get realistic. If we fail this postseason, major changes have to happen. Our repeater luxury number is an issue and we are too old not to have results.

And if you think trading a 25 year old budding superstar to build around Rudy is the answer, I just don't know what to tell you.


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jom2003 said:
It's a another big project for the development team. Forrest's defense has gone from good to amazing in the past few weeks. And like Forrest, NAW's got all the tools to be a good defender. It may be unbearable and painful to watch at first, like Forrest's first few games of the season. But if they can develop NAW's defense the same way as they worked on Forrest, NAW may turn into a good enough defender just in time for the playoffs.
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NAW has good tools but so does Mitchell and JC. It doesn't mean anything if the feel isn't there. NAW has been unfocused on defense his whole career. Sure, this could be the wake-up call, change of scenery move for him but it's a gamble. Jazz can't count on that and Snyder doesn't have a magic wand. 30 games isn't enough.

Forrest always belonged on the court. He played good defense, knew his sets, moved the ball etc. Even his floater looked good before. He didn't add any new skills. He just managed to apply himself more. NAW playing impactful defense is more akin to Forrest banging off-the-dribble 3s.

If the Jazz sent away JC, they could save money and fill a familiar role with NAW. You could justify cutting NAW's minutes to 15-18 range and play the guy you brought in to address Jazz's issues to fill more minutes. Would be near perfect.

Now the Jazz have JC, Mitchell and Bogey as absolute defensive liabilities and a guy you have to pray isn't a liability and hope he is having a down year offensively because of Nola.
 
Hekate said:
NAW has good tools but so does Mitchell and JC. It doesn't mean anything if the feel isn't there. NAW has been unfocused on defense his whole career. Sure, this could be the wake-up call, change of scenery move for him but it's a gamble. Jazz can't count on that and Snyder doesn't have a magic wand. 30 games isn't enough.

Forrest always belonged on the court. He played good defense, knew his sets, moved the ball etc. Even his floater looked good before. He didn't add any new skills. He just managed to apply himself more. NAW playing impactful defense is more akin to Forrest banging off-the-dribble 3s.

If the Jazz sent away JC, they could save money and fill a familiar role with NAW. You could justify cutting NAW's minutes to 15-18 range and play the guy you brought in to address Jazz's issues to fill more minutes. Would be near perfect.

Now the Jazz have JC, Mitchell and Bogey as absolute defensive liabilities and a guy you have to pray isn't a liability and hope he is having a down year offensively because of Nola.
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It didn't work for DM and Clarkson because they had different roles that is playing with the ball and running the offense. Therefore they wouldn't have enough gas left in the tank to focus on the other side of the ball game. Plus Clarkson was never projected to be a good defender coming in and he was already 28 when we got him so he didn't have a whole lot room for development.

We don't have to ask NAW to play with the ball like he did for the Pels at all since it clearly didn't work and we already have enough offensive talent on the team. If we can have him focused primarily on offball stuff, we could see progress.
 
jom2003 said:
It didn't work for DM and Clarkson because they had different roles that is playing with the ball and running the offense. Therefore they wouldn't have enough gas left in the tank to focus on the other side of the ball game. Plus Clarkson was never projected to be a good defender coming in and he was already 28 when we got him so he didn't have a whole lot room for development.

We don't have to ask NAW to play with the ball like he did for the Pels at all since it clearly didn't work and we already have enough offensive talent on the team. If we can have him focused primarily on offball stuff, we could see progress.
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IT doesnt work for Clarkson/Mitchell because their defensive effort is 0% tied to their minutes.

The only reason NAW might improve on that end is that he will have to in order to get minutes.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
Maybe NAW makes a mistake in the first minute he plays and is sent to Quins purgatory.
It happens.
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Or since he is the guy they went and got and gave up assets to add they play him anyway based on sunk cost and trying to look like they knew what they were doing.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
IT doesnt work for Clarkson/Mitchell because their defensive effort is 0% tied to their minutes.

The only reason NAW might improve on that end is that he will have to in order to get minutes.
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Agree. NAW needs to be at least passable on D in order to see any meaningful minutes.
 
LoPo said:
How the heck are we supposed to retool around Rudy and Don if our only assets are expiring Bojan, old Mike, and bad contracts Clarkson and Gay?

At some point, people have to get realistic. If we fail this postseason, major changes have to happen. Our repeater luxury number is an issue and we are too old not to have results.

And if you think trading a 25 year old budding superstar to build around Rudy is the answer, I just don't know what to tell you.


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25 year old superstar?? No one can help you if you think he is superstar...
 
jom2003 said:
Agree. NAW needs to be at least passable on D in order to see any meaningful minutes.
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Any minutes at all. He doesn’t deserve to be on the mop-up crew, those slots should be for Forrest, JB, House, Paschall, and Doke.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
What do you think he is?
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I think he is a 2nd tier player. The top tier is occupied by players like Jokic, LBJ, Kawhii (when his chakra allows him to play), Durant, Curry, prime Harden (he has slipped into tier 2 this year imo), Giannis, with like Butler on the cusp here and probably Lillard, maybe Embiid, Doncic has a chance to be on the edge here etc. Tier 2 are players making a play for the top tier, like Mitchell, Morant, Booker, Tatum, etc., including Rudy here on tier 2. Tier 3 would be players that have shown real flashes or are solid high-level contributors, but aren't quite there yet like Trae Young, maybe even LaMelo Ball, Beal, Lavine, etc.

At least that is imho.
 
I get what Zanick is saying though.

It is very hard to upgrade this roster. The big difference makers werent affordable to Utah. The minor upgrades arent worth a 1st round pick for a guy who might play 20 mpg.

The biggest fail was not seeing the importance of off-loading Clarkson, but maybe that would be an asset costing move. At this point it would be selling low. Clarkson can probably player better than he is now, and he will be more tradeable as his contract comes closer to the expiration date.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I get what Zanick is saying though.

It is very hard to upgrade this roster. The big difference makers werent affordable to Utah. The minor upgrades arent worth a 1st round pick for a guy who might play 20 mpg.

The biggest fail was not seeing the importance of off-loading Clarkson, but maybe that would be an asset costing move. At this point it would be selling low. Clarkson can probably player better than he is now, and he will be more tradeable as his contract comes closer to the expiration date.
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I agree.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
You mean aside from the cost saving move the jazz made the other day where we gave picks away?
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Just got to accept that 2nd rounders are money savings chips for the Jazz, not things they want to use to draft players. If they want a player in the 2nd round, they will have to be buyers on draft day. Which means we will probably draft 10 Hughes/Oni/JWF/Brantleys before we get someone decent.
 
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