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Trade deadline discussion

NUMBERICA said:
Given how far into this build the Jazz are, how relatively wide-open the path to the finals are (I believe they are, again, relative to most years), and that Mike and Bogey aren't going to be better than they are this year, I think going for it this year is still maybe the best opportunity to do so. Maybe Barnes becomes the super sub if you get him? He does not round out the main unit, he does the opposite, actually.

Barnes or not, if you can rebuild the bench to be a stable of hustling defensive players then that is probably the middle-ground in terms of how to change the roster before the deadline and keeping an eye to the future. Namely, Smart and Kenny who could be serious contributors and fallback main-lineup players (in case of injury, trade, or special lineup). I think you could get both without sending a 1st, Conley, or Bogey. So that's where I'm landing for my wishes this deadline; Smart and Kenny (for Ingles, Clarkson, and non-1st sweeteners if necessary).
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Smart won't come cheap... OKC wants a first for Kenny. He is a culture guy there and they have enough seconds. Smart has been playing well and the lineup with him as pg actually works pretty well. Neither team is a super motivated seller. I think you could get Kenny with a fake first type of offer but it would need to be kinda real-ish. Just based on the tea leaves left by various insiders in various places.
 
Wonder if we'd trade a first plus JC for Eric Gordon. JC could go to a third team and you slide Ingles in the deal somewhere... could net some tax savings that make Gordon's deal next year better. Not sure if that is deal that moves the needle.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Smart won't come cheap... OKC wants a first for Kenny. He is a culture guy there and they have enough seconds. Smart has been playing well and the lineup with him as pg actually works pretty well. Neither team is a super motivated seller. I think you could get Kenny with a fake first type of offer but it would need to be kinda real-ish. Just based on the tea leaves left by various insiders in various places.
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Right, my assumption is lifting pick protections for OKC and hoping that some of the Celtics fans chatter of wanting to trade Smart (even specifically mentioning JC in some instances) has some merit. Sending Butler might have to be a part of this but that's fine.
 
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Alright here is the deal. We get Kenny and Muscala... we have to send an honest to goodness real first to OKC and work with them on protections on both picks. NOP gives us our own second back this year. Having two seconds helps with budgeting next year.

We get all the way under the tax. Add two rotation players we need for this year and next for about $5M in total salary. This opens up enough room to use the full MLE next year if we want to move some parts around. We reset the repeater tax timeline. There are a lot of solid guys that will go for the MLE next year.

OKC takes on a lot of money but not really. They are below the floor and this actually opens up more space next year for them. Helps with the tank this year and they get their first for Kenny.

I'd much rather do this deal than the Barnes trade. Trade Bogey or Royce in the offseason for assets if Kenny/House work out well.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Right, my assumption is lifting pick protections for OKC and hoping that the some of the Celtics fans chatter of wanting to trade Smart (even specifically mentioning JC in some instances) has some merit. Sending Butler might have to be a part of this but that's fine.
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I go back and forth on JB. Mostly because I don't think we will play him. I'd hate to see him killing it on another team. I can't watch Bane without going into a jealous rage.
 
IMHO if the guys upstairs don't think this is the right team, they sould try to trade right now... and only one dude should be considered untouchable.
We all know who.
That said, I really want the Jazz not to trade Butler.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
This makes me nervous we are going to trade Butler, really don’t want to.
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I doubt that was the actual deal. If Ingles was still playing we'd much rather have him than Bagley.... this is wishful thinking from sacktown
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Well can’t imagine why Utah would want Bagley.
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Maybe next year on a minimum deal... taking him this year has no upside at all. His Qualifying offer to retain his rights is like 2-3 times as much as anyone should pay him.
 
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