Trade deadline discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Suns didn't think so and it's paying dividends right now. Also they didn't do it until after he already had his bounce back season in OKC. And there really wasn't a particular need for us to go all-in on Conley either. Rudy was only 27 years old and Donovan 23. We could've waited a couple of more seasons and still remain in contention

Do you know how contracts work? Every year the number of CP3/Donovan/Rudy would go up, increasing the LT bill, which would cause Smith to cut cost other places. They would not have a long-time to contend with CP3 as he would force them to make even more LT influenced saving moves

 

[LogGrad98]

Also, now the goalpost is that it's 100% up to Conley to take the Jazz further in the playoffs. The deal being good/bad solely rest in his hands. Nothing else matters. He could play perfect basketball, but if the Jazz lose they would have been better off with Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder, and two late first round picks.

No one said that, literally no one, except you right now. However we may have been better off using those assets and the money to acquire a player that fit our needs better.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And if you ever want to feel better about the Jazz's draft failures in regard to drafting backup centers, just remember the Suns drafted Jalen Smith in the lottery over Tyrese Haliburton.

 

[Hearsky]

Forrest Gump could get this:

I think Mike Conley is a good player but I feel like we gave up too much for him in that trade. Our postseason record with or without him does not reflect the price that it took to get him.

Do I need crayons?

I think you have made your point clear. Now STFU and move on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one said that, literally no one, except you right now. However we may have been better off using those assets and the money to acquire a player that fit our needs better.

Lopo has been saying this multiple times over he past few pages.

 

[LogGrad98]

Okay, but those players aren't too difficult to replace. Jazz can put Danuel House or Trent Forrest on the floor and slow down opposing guards. The challenge is finding good defenders who also maintain the Jazz's floor spacing and ball movement.

Those exact players are not too difficult to replace, but we need upgrades in that spot, not just those 2 guys, although I think Crowder would be great with our current group. We needed a stronger defensive player who can hit the 3, that has been our achilles heel for 3 seasons+ now. And when that was painfully obviously what we needed, hell most of us on this board were harping on exactly that point, the FO went all in on Conley, exactly not what we needed. I have been glad to have Conley on our team and enjoy watching him play. But we should have had a different target when he was acquired. He just isn't what we needed then and still haven't been able to fill.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'll add to that you have to rid yourself of bad defenders as well (ie Clarkson/Bogey/Mitchell). You dont have to get rid of all 3, but at the very least one, and if you want real systematic defensive improvement, two of them.

Putting a lineup out there with Bogey and Clarkson on the floor together is basically giving up on playing defense against quality guards. Clarkson can't stay in front of anybody, and Bogey can't move laterally well enough to rotate. Guards just get anywhere they want on the floor. Ingles was pretty bad this year too.

 

[LogGrad98]

Lopo has been saying this multiple times over he past few pages.

No he has been saying we should have used those assets on a different player. I never once saw him say "we would be better off with Allen and Crowder rather than Conley" unless I missed it in the morass of ********* that encompassed a dozen pages a little ways back.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Putting a lineup out there with Bogey and Clarkson on the floor together is basically giving up on playing defense against quality guards. Clarkson can't stay in front of anybody, and Bogey can't move laterally well enough to rotate. Guards just get anywhere they want on the floor.

Yup, I think the most realistic scenario is you trade Clarkson. You still start Bogey, but you transition him into more playing without Mitchell as a quasi-6th man so he can carry the scoring load in lineups that feature more Gobert/Conley.

 

[NUMBERICA]

No he has been saying we should have used those assets on a different player. I never once saw him say "we would be better off with Allen and Crowder rather than Conley" unless I missed it in the morass of ********* that encompassed a dozen pages a little ways back.

He actually said that Jae Crowder was better.

(Or, rather, that ‘the loss of Crowder was larger than what we gained with Conley’ or something like that.)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No he has been saying we should have used those assets on a different player. I never once saw him say "we would be better off with Allen and Crowder rather than Conley" unless I missed it in the morass of ********* that encompassed a dozen pages a little ways back.

Yeah, you missed it lmao. He quite literally said "Losing Jae has hurt more than Conley has helped"

 

[slc]

No he has been saying we should have used those assets on a different player. I never once saw him say "we would be better off with Allen and Crowder rather than Conley" unless I missed it in the morass of ********* that encompassed a dozen pages a little ways back.

Discussion should be would Jazz be better with Allen Crowder Rubio and two first round picks
Jazz would have kept Rubio and then speculate who Jazz might have picked with their first round picks
Case could be made maybe Jazz would be better but will never know
Also who knows what Jazz assemble for rest of roster over last couple seasons
Maybe completely different group than what they currently have