One of Jazz problems last year was not enough legit NBA players on the depth chart
Trading two or three legit players for one creates this problem again
Not sure this would work
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Trading two or three legit players for one creates this problem again
Not sure this would work
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Nah.
The stupid Celtics have a bunch of good perimeter defenders. Hopefully Smart keeps talking s-- on Tatum and company so they try and shop him around. I also like Richardson - wondering what they'd need to send us those two guys. Our perimeter defense would be so much better and we wouldn't get exposed like we did against the Clippers last season.
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Let's trade Dok for Lebron or the Brow.
We probably could have gotten at least a first + Hart for Jordan Clarkson during the summer. Hart was not interested in playing for them and they weren’t super interested in bringing him back either.
Crazy how fast things can change. Hart only got $12M guaranteed and somehow the move NOP didn’t real want to make turned into their best decision of the summer. I agree that most would see Hart as the better asset right now. That’s the reality of trading someone when their value is lowest.
If it’s just for Kenrich + Temple I wouldn’t do it, and this is coming from someone who was a huge proponent of this kind of trade. I just don’t think Kenrich and Temple are real options to play big minutes during the playoffs. I don’t think Clarkson is either, but his 20 MPG in the playoffs will probably be more effective than those two.
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Yeah IDK about that. Maybe Hart for JC straight up this summer... maybe we get a little sweetner... I don't think his value was that high and I don't think it "fallen" all that much. The contract Hart signed was basically designed to be traded so he ends up on the block at some point. If he doesn't like where he ends up he can decline his 3rd year option... assumes he is playing well though. NO is just kinda dumb. Why in the hell wouldn't they want to keep Lonzo? He was basically perfect for Zion. Zion now trying to eat his way out of NO... such a weirdo team.
Back to Kenrich and Temple... I don't love it, but its the type of realistic deal I could see being out there. There are times when we might struggle to create a shot if we offload JC... but I think both guys can play some minutes in the playoffs... I mean PJ Tucker played 30 minutes a night for the champs in the playoffs. Temple is likely a better offensive player than PJ (he can dribble a little) but a worse defender. I still think he could give you a burst of 15 minutes of good hard defense. On some of the type of players we struggle with. More playable than Dunn because he can shoot it. Well respected vet so he will get some veteran calls. Currently 1.8 steals per 36 and 1.1 blks... solid rebounder for a guard.
Kenrich is a guy I'd love to see next to good players. Might be the Joe Ingles replacement.
Another big consideration is this saves us around $7M (once you cut Oni). The tax savings might be double that... so maybe it frees us up a smidge for other stuff. Saves us 6-7M the following year as well.
Not pushing for this type of deal but trying to realistically consider what management would. While we don't care about the dollars and cents ownership surely does.
I think JC's value was really high this summer. People really valued him, that's why he won 6MOY over Ingles who was a much better player. I think he was held in similar regard to Hardaway and Fournier who got paid significantly more than what JC is getting paid. It's impossible to know and it wasn't a real option the FO was considering so not worth a huge discussion. I just hope we called NOP every single day this off season. Hart was a player we could have absolutely used and Griffin was on tilt. You think not signing Lonzo is bad? How about giving up a first round pick to go from Lonzo to Graham. I think reality has hit NOP and we may have missed our window, but I know Hart probably doesn't want to be there. I'm hoping they had some kind of agreement to trade him because that is how the contract is structured.
I see Kenrich and Temple as more in the Paschall realm and not nearly in the same tier as JC or Tucker. Those guys aren't real options to play instead of our existing rotation, so all you're really doing is changing our bench unit. Are we a better bench unit with those players? I don't think so. Even with JC's struggles the bench is working. Maybe his role gets cut in the playoffs, but I like him for 15-20 minutes more than those other guys. If you're shooting for that level of player, I think you're better off going for a Galloway type or looking for a buyout guy.
I get what you're saying though, we just don't have many realistic options. If a change was going to be made, it needed to happen in the off-season. There are so many more options when teams are still setting their rosters. Nothing that has happened this season should have changed the team's stance on this. If they didn't want to trade then, they won't trade now with worse options available to him.
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So much heavy speculation. Is it made ok because you say “it’s impossible to know”?
Shad
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Actually, Ingles and Wood's salary match already. They can have an expiring and a pick. We get Wood
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If his value was really high this summer then it’s still going to be high. It doesn’t just evaporate because he has had a slow start. If JC for Hart and a first was available this summer then JC for Hart straight up is completely doable still. JC isn’t a crypto currency.
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This thread is so far very depressing to read.
A wet blanket and a winner. Close the thread because this is where my money is.
I think it's fallen a decent amount. The opinion on him around these parts has definitely fallen a lot. I still think he's a positive asset, but I also think Hart has played really well this year and is now signed to a favorable contract. And like I said, if reality wasn't setting in during the summer for NOP it has to be setting in now. Josh Hart is exactly the type of player they need, but so was Lonzo and they traded a first to downgrade. Hopefully for our sake it adds to more Griffin desperation but there's no way in hell they should let that guy make another move. He should be gone already.
Even if JC's value hasn't dropped a ton, I think the Hart situation is different. If they have anyone with a brain in that FO they'd realize that they accidentally stumbled upon a strong asset. If they still have the opinion of Hart that they did in the off-season, get the deal done.
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Well, it's impossible to know because it's impossible to know what at least one first means. For some that means at least one first. For others that means a second round pick. All up to interpretation I guess.
Having an opinion with reasoning on a basketball forum = heavy speculation that's not ok. You learn something knew everyday
Ingles and a 2RP might get Cedi Osman if the Jazz do another annual Cavs holiday trade. Cavs may be trying to compete for POs this year though.
Clarkson + Butler + future FRP might get a deal with Houston for Wood if Houston can then flip Clarkson for another FRP. They'd be getting 2 FRPs and a decent young prospect for Wood's last 1.5 years. Wood probably isn't going to stick around with Houston long-term, and that's at least as good a return as Portland paid for Robert Covington. Bogey and Gay then replace Clarkson as our primary bench scorers, and our defense improves overall. Problem is, Warriors can beat that package if they want to.
Jazz could waive Miye Oni and bring back Exum.
Clarkson + Butler + future FRP might get a deal with Houston for Wood if Houston can then flip Clarkson for another FRP. They'd be getting 2 FRPs and a decent young prospect for Wood's last 1.5 years. Wood probably isn't going to stick around with Houston long-term, and that's at least as good a return as Portland paid for Robert Covington. Bogey and Gay then replace Clarkson as our primary bench scorers, and our defense improves overall. Problem is, Warriors can beat that package if they want to.
Jazz could waive Miye Oni and bring back Exum.
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