Trade deadline discussion

[NUMBERICA]

I think seeing how Quin has mismanaged the Butler situation has pushed me solidly into the camp that Quin is overly rigid and will only give a young player a chance if he has to.

I will add that he irrationally favors and disfavors certain players. Can someone explain to me what drove him nuts about AB that isn’t a worse issue with Clarkson?

With regard to all of the above, if Butler ain’t gonna play then his value is just going to continue to diminish to us and others, so they might as well trade him. Or they could find a team desperate for a flamethrower and clear some opportunity for him. But him sitting there while Clarkson just does whatever the hell out there is compounding some real mismanagement of the roster.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Alright... so here is my half baked trade idea of the day. Caris Levert was pretty over-rated in the past and it seems like things have turned on him a bit. He isn't viewed with the assumption that he was going to have some amazing development step. I think he could be slightly under-rated now. I think he could have a small bounce like Norman Powell did.

So would Indiana do JC/Butler/Udoka and a lightly protected future first for Caris? Would we have to add a Royce for Craig swap in there? I think I like the idea of Caris more than actual Caris... but I think he fits better with Mike and Donovan than JC. He's younger and is an athletic wing who leaves some to be desired on offense and defense... but maybe with some of the screens Rudy sets and with some decent passers he could take an efficiency jump. I honestly don't know how he is defensively. I get the impression he is averagish... which is a big improvement.

I think Indiana wouldn't turn their nose at JC. He could be the willing player going to the bench that can help them... ain't like cap space does them a whole lot of good. I'd be hesitant to give up Royce.

My other potential shift would be seeing if Mike can do the Manu off the bench thing... if Caris fits well he could start and we would start the game right sized. Obviously Mike is on the court to close games. IDK... its just a thought. Dragic did it with great success a couple years ago in Miami.

The Jazz have a lot of depth right now with players like Paschall And House that can contribute a few minutes if they were freed up by making a 2 for 1 or a 3 for 1 trade. The Jazz need to put together a package for a good player. The roster needs a shake up that is not held hostage by sentiment. This move does that. I honestly feel like the bigger the gamble the bigger the reward. Jazz always play it relatively safe. Ainge may be the changing factor in that.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

It really sucks, it is essentially a wasted pick. He should be on the mentorship track with Conley and playing regular structured minutes to develop. Instead he is slapped at the first sign of a mistake and gets PT only when we have literally everyone out on COVID. It is stupid and flies in the face of our supposed vaunted crack player-development coaching team.

Its also really weird. He was so good in the pre-season they gave him that 3-4 minute role... then he struggled (he's a rookie in a tiny minute situation) and they moved to Forrest... for a role that doesn't matter. That 3-4 minutes isn't saving Mike's hammy. Forrest has been bad... flat out. If you are going to have some bad minutes... why the hell wouldn't you use them on something with some upside. Then the nights Mike is out he should be more ready for a bigger role where you can actually make some evaluations.

They should have just kept the 30th pick so they had him (or someone else) on a long term deal. If you only have 2 years then I guess maybe you need to get someone that fits better and can get on the court immediately.

I think Forrest is the hard working guy who has put in his time... so he gets the nod.

 

[Hekate]

I like Levert and think he was fine defensively before this year. His condition probaby had an effect. He would still be an upgrade over Clarkson defensively and his offensive style fits as much.

i wouldn't start him over Conley, though.

 

[LoPo]

Can we get anything substantial by packaging Rudy Gay and Clarkson?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Can we get anything substantial by packaging Rudy Gay and Clarkson?

No... I also don't see us moving Gay. "Hey thanks for picking us... also welcome to Indiana" (or whatever terrible team we sent him to). Not that he is off limits. I think the return would have to be pretty good to do that type of move.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the rumored Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris for Fox, Hield, and Barnes trade goes through I think that Sacramento becomes a potential JC destination. Have some expiring deals and would need some on ball shot creation.

Maybe OKC takes a look at Bagley, we send JC to Sac, we get Kenrich Williams (the apple of our eye)... maybe we amend the pick protections as well to sweeten the deal. Ryan saves all teh monies!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also all the rumors about Grant wanting an extension and wanting to be a key piece of the offense wherever he goes just screams "don't trade for me if you are a contender... I care more about my role than winning".

 

[homeytennis]

Hoops rumors says the Jazz are looking for an Aaron Gordon like wing in the trade market but that we have no trade assets. Gee ya think?

 

[LoPo]

No... I also don't see us moving Gay. "Hey thanks for picking us... also welcome to Indiana" (or whatever terrible team we sent him to). Not that he is off limits. I think the return would have to be pretty good to do that type of move.

Did Rudy Gay come to us because he really wanted to play for the Jazz, or did he come to us because we gave the biggest, longest deal he could get?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hoops rumors says the Jazz are looking for an Aaron Gordon like wing in the trade market but that we have no trade assets. Gee ya think?

I'm seeking a super high paying job that doesn't require many hours or much stress... showing up on time needs to be optional.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Did Rudy Gay come to us because he really wanted to play for the Jazz, or did he come to us because we gave the biggest, longest deal he could get?

I think both. I think he likely had his choice or a few offers in our range. He likely had lower offers from other "glamour" teams.

I get your point. I just doubt he gets us more in a trade than he gives us on the court. He also becomes more important once we trade JC. So the return would need to be such that even Gay and other players think its a no brainer. Like if its JC and Gay for Barnes... well of course we do that. I just doubt there is anything other than a marginal return. Gay is an important piece for us in the playoffs and represents our chance to size up or down based on need.