Trade deadline discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont think Smart is that great of a fit. Actually kind of a ****** fit in a lot of ways, but he provides something the Jazz need. The fit is weird IMO.

He's a ****** off the dribble shooter.

He's a ****** scorer.

He's a ****** pick n roll player.

He's mediocre as a C&S player

His offensive basketball IQ is pretty poor for a guy who has as much usage as he does.

But he provides intensity and D and the Jazz do need it. Unless he's just super cheap I'm not a huge Smart fan. I think the Jazz would probably be better off just getting a guy who is net neutral on both ends to replace JC.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There will be nights where there is too much Marcus... it will happen... its kinda like JC that way. If we were the number 1 defense by a mile and had Marcus you might flip him for JC maybe... its just kind of the perfect one move balancing trade. And all the edgey stuff is stuff we have needed for a while.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I dont think Smart is that great of a fit. Actually kind of a ****** fit in a lot of ways, but he provides something the Jazz need. The fit is weird IMO.

He's a ****** off the dribble shooter.

He's a ****** scorer.

He's a ****** pick n roll player.

He's mediocre as a C&S player

His offensive basketball IQ is pretty poor for a guy who has as much usage as he does.

But he provides intensity and D and the Jazz do need it. Unless he's just super cheap I'm not a huge Smart fan. I think the Jazz would probably be better off just getting a guy who is net neutral on both ends to replace JC.

Didn't you say once if we had Marcus Smart instead of JC we'd win a championship?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Didn't you say once if we had Marcus Smart instead of JC we'd win a championship?

I searched my name and post with Smart and Championship in it and got nothing.

I dont think I've ever been super Pro-Smart. I'm just very Anti-JC right now.

My position for the last few months has just been replace JC with a net neutral player and that remains the case.

If Smart is free (like JC swap straight up) then I'd probably be OK risking it. But that probably isnt the case so it just makes more sense to me to do a smaller move.

 

[LoPo]

Smart isn't a perfect player, but man he gets disrespect.

Do y'all realize he averages more assists per game than Conley this year? I'm not saying he's a better facilitator or better PG, but c'mon. It's not like he's total crap at running offense or passing the ball.

Also consider that Boston has two ball dominant players also on the roster with Tatum and Brown. Conley pretty much shares the ball with one other ball dominant player at a time (Don or Clarkson).

 

[campaignist]

I dont think Smart is that great of a fit. Actually kind of a ****** fit in a lot of ways, but he provides something the Jazz need. The fit is weird IMO.

He's a ****** off the dribble shooter.

He's a ****** scorer.

He's a ****** pick n roll player.

He's mediocre as a C&S player

His offensive basketball IQ is pretty poor for a guy who has as much usage as he does.

But he provides intensity and D and the Jazz do need it. Unless he's just super cheap I'm not a huge Smart fan. I think the Jazz would probably be better off just getting a guy who is net neutral on both ends to replace JC.

He’s a perfectly fine pick and roll player. He’s more or less about as good shooting off the dribble and scoring as Royce is, but he wouldn’t be asked to do that much. Not disputing that he’s an odd fit and the inadequacy on offense would be obvious and drive this entire board insane within a month.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I searched my name and post with Smart and Championship in it and got nothing.

I dont think I've ever been super Pro-Smart. I'm just very Anti-JC right now.

My position for the last few months has just been replace JC with a net neutral player and that remains the case.

If Smart is free (like JC swap straight up) then I'd probably be OK risking it. But that probably isnt the case so it just makes more sense to me to do a smaller move.

I think you are right on JC. The issue is I doubt the Jazz would just dump JC... so you kind of need to get something for him if you send him off. Smart is an easy guy to sell to the locker room, coaching staff, fanbase... won't have to sell him to the front office obviously.

If there was something else I think we could get for JC I'd do it. I think Smart defensively is about as good as a fit as you can get. I think he can get on hot streaks (kinda like Jae) that will become a huge boost. His ****** offense is replacing JC's volume bad offense so I don't see a huge drawback there. I just think we are the team that has to give some "stuff" to make it work. I think Smart's market is way bigger than JC's unfortunately.

 

[campaignist]

Smart isn't a perfect player, but man he gets disrespect.

Do y'all realize he averages more assists per game than Conley this year? I'm not saying he's a better facilitator or better PG, but c'mon. It's not like he's total crap at running offense or passing the ball.

Also consider that Boston has two ball dominant players also on the roster with Tatum and Brown. Conley pretty much shares the ball with one other ball dominant player at a time (Don or Clarkson).

He plays with Schroeder as well, who basically fills the scoring off the bench role JC does here. Just because he isn’t a dribble it up the court and initiate the offense kind of player does not mean that he can’t do it at all.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think you are right on JC. The issue is I doubt the Jazz would just dump JC... so you kind of need to get something for him if you send him off. Smart is an easy guy to sell to the locker room, coaching staff, fanbase... won't have to sell him to the front office obviously.

If there was something else I think we could get for JC I'd do it. I think Smart defensively is about as good as a fit as you can get. I think he can get on hot streaks (kinda like Jae) that will become a huge boost. His ****** offense is replacing JC's volume bad offense so I don't see a huge drawback there. I just think we are the team that has to give some "stuff" to make it work. I think Smart's market is way bigger than JC's unfortunately.

Offensively I think the drawback is potentially large depending on how Smart decides to play. If Smart cost me a 1st round pick vs just getting a dude like Justin Holiday for JC straight up (just giving an example, idk how possible it is) I would probably lean towards the more conservative trade getting Holiday.

 

[Hekate]

He’s a perfectly fine pick and roll player. He’s more or less about as good shooting off the dribble and scoring as Royce is, but he wouldn’t be asked to do that much. Not disputing that he’s an odd fit and the inadequacy on offense would be obvious and drive this entire board insane within a month.

He may not be asked to do those but he is going to do them. Sometimes a lot. His tenacity which makes him great on D gets the better of him on offense. He gets stubborn a lot.

The thing that could work out though is we play a sort of advantage ball and Smart is a do-**** player. If he just attacks in those situations where he doesn't need to break defenses, it could be more positive than not.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Offensively I think the drawback is potentially large depending on how Smart decides to play. If Smart cost me a 1st round pick vs just getting a dude like Justin Holiday for JC straight up (just giving an example, idk how possible it is) I would probably lean towards the more conservative trade getting Holiday.

I agree... I'd do the Holiday deal instead. I just don't think they have interest but I might be too close to the situation.

 

[infection]

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Out: Ingles, Royce, Butler, the OKC-owed first rounder with opposite conditions, that converts to two seconds.

In: Morris, Ibaka.

Then trade for Smart.

It’s all fantasy, but this is a message board, after all.