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Trade for Jerami Grant

Grant would take a whole lot of assets. People hating on Bogey but will be praising him in the playoffs when he hits a three over LeBron while also kneeing him in the nuts.
 
What about bogie or favors and draft capital to the cavs for nance and jarret Allen?


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jom2003 said:
"Why go after Grant or Wood when you can have Bogey and Favs?"

-Dennis Lindsey
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Yikes. None of those players were gettable.

1) Grant wasn't a free agent when we had cap space in the summer of Bogie/Conley.
2) Trade for him the year before to get his bird rights? Sure. Denver will definitely trade him to his biggest division rival
3) Wood? What make you think a big man looking for playing time and a bigger role would choose Utah?. This is not NBA 2K. Of course he would go to the Rockets, they had the money and the best role possible (they didn't even have a C on the roster)
 
latin jazz said:
Yikes. None of those players were gettable.

1) Grant wasn't a free agent when we had cap space in the summer of Bogie/Conley.
2) Trade for him the year before to get his bird rights? Sure. Denver will definitely trade him to his biggest division rival
3) Wood? What make you think a big man looking for playing time and a bigger role would choose Utah?. This is not NBA 2K. Of course he would go to the Rockets, they had the money and the best role possible (they didn't even have a C on the roster)
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1) Grant was acquired by Denver in the same summer when Bogey/Conley were signed. Denver didn't get to keep him of course, but that's saved for another story. All I know is that they made it all the way to the WCF with him playing a major role. Now imagine having Grant on our team during that Denver series instead of the other way around. Everyone here would love to see a trip to the WCF, no?

2) Denver won't trade him to the biggest division rival. Sure. But OKC will, and they did.

3) That's why I said Grant OR Wood. If we chose to spend the money on Grant then of course Wood will probably be out of our reach, and vice versa. But having one of them on the roster is bigger than having both Bogey/Favors, who didn't play a single minute for us in the playoffs last season and will have much reduced role this year due to their age and conditioning. And lesser role next year. Lesser role in 2023. You get the idea.

And guess what? Grant/Wood will get the "bigger role" they desired on this Jazz team because you know? No Bojan or Favors on this team means over 40 min worth of PT as well as the Jazz's starting 4 spot is now available. And on average just how many shots does Bogey get to take in a game for us again?

Why would Wood or Grant settle for PT time/big role on a losing team when they can have PT time/big role on a winning one?
 
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Grant didn't have the role he wanted in Denver because Denver had enough offensive talents on their team.

That was not the case here.

In summer 2019 before the Bogey signing and the Conley trade, our second best option on offense was Rubio.

So if anything, Grant can take on Bogey's role on offensive WHILE playing respectable defense. And with Bogie and Favors's money off the book, we have enough cap space to work out a contract extension with him last offseason.

But DL was fixated on Mirotic/Bogey/Portis so Grant was never a part of the conversation, so Denver got him from OKC and went on a trip to the WCF.
 
jom2003 said:
1) Grant was acquired by Denver in the same summer when Bogey/Conley were signed. Denver didn't get to keep him of course, but that's saved for another story. All I know is that they made it all the way to the WCF with him playing a major role.

2) Denver won't trade him to the biggest division rival. Sure. But OKC will, and they did.

3) That's why I said Grant OR Wood. If we chose to spend the money on Grant then of course Wood will probably be out of our reach, and vice versa. But having one of them on the roster is bigger than having both Bogey/Favors, who didn't play a min for us in the playoffs last season and will have much reduced role this year due to their age and conditioning.

And guess what? Grant/Wood will get the "bigger role" they desired on this Jazz team because you know? No Bojan or Favors on this team means over 40 min worth of PT as well as the Jazz's starting 4 spot is now available.
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Again, what prove do you have they would want to sign with Utah?

1) Denver traded for him. They had to include a 1st in the deal. That season our trade assets were on the table for Conley (yeah, your "washed up midget" who became an All Star and is playing like one), he was our man all along. So yeah, we were not going to dump a 1st for a one year rental (those assets were not available to begin with)
2) Duh, OKC has been on assest accumulation mode for years. They were no longer contenders at that point and would just trade Grant to the biggest bidder. Again, Denver went for it and lost him for nothing.
3) You should just say Grant for that matter (but again, is only a discussion if two years ago you thought Grant>Conley...did you?). Wood? 0% chance. It's not "probably out of reach". There was no chance of him coming to Utah. Zero, nada. Not even worth talking about it.

I guess hindsight is a blessing when playing GM
 
jom2003 said:
Grant didn't have the role he wanted in Denver because Denver had enough offensive talents on their team.

That was not the case here.

In summer 2019 before the Bogey signing and the Conley trade, our second best option on offense was Rubio.

So if anything, Grant can take on Bogey's role on offensive WHILE playing respectable defense. And with Bogie and Favors's money off the book, we have enough cap space to work out a contract extension with him last offseason.

But DL was fixated on Mirotic/Bogey/Portis so Grant was never a part of the conversation, so Denver got him from OKC and went on a trip to the WCF.
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How do you know we would work out a contract extension? Let's ask Denver.

Why was the FO interested in players like Mirotic or Portis? Because they had expressed their interest in the Jazz (openly and probably behind closed doors). GMs do have more information than you or me. They get to players, through agents, current players, coaches, friends, etc. They would have some kind of idea if Grant would see Utah as a long-term fit before pulling the trigger. Even then, there is always assimetry of information...

Yay! a trip to the WCF. Those are nice. Then Grant left.
 
latin jazz said:
Again, what prove do you have they would want to sign with Utah?

1) Denver traded for him. They had to include a 1st in the deal. That season our trade assets were on the table for Conley (yeah, your "washed up midget" who became an All Star and is playing like one), he was our man all along. So yeah, we were not going to dump a 1st for a one year rental (those assets were not available to begin with)
2) Duh, OKC has been on assest accumulation mode for years. They were no longer contenders at that point and would just trade Grant to the biggest bidder. Again, Denver went for it and lost him for nothing.
3) You should just say Grant for that matter (but again, is only a discussion if two years ago you thought Grant>Conley...did you?). Wood? 0% chance. It's not "probably out of reach". There was no chance of him coming to Utah. Zero, nada. Not even worth talking about it.

I guess hindsight is a blessing when playing GM
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1)Conley was horrendous for the majority of last season and did not live up to his contract or the assets we gave up to sign him. That was the fact. So everything i said last year about him was justified. This year he's been playing better so I haven't said a bad thing about him since, and sincerely hope he continues his good performance as a Jazz fan.

But yeah, Conley shot a hair above 40% for the entirety of 2019/2020 regular season, struggled defensively at times, caught in bad conditioning and went out for a handful of games while the jazz going on a winning streak in his absence, and I as well as many other jazz fans here dared to question him and his performance during that time. What a crime. What a disgrace. Everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

So what are you going to do about it?

2) Again, Denver went for Grant and got a trip to the WCF because of it. If that's considered "nothing" to you then just brace yourself when this Jazz season ends.

3) Again. We signed Bojan to 4 year 73mil. And how much did Christian Wood sign for the Rockets? 3yr 41mil. And that's not counting the full MLE spent on Favors.

Do you really understand what I mean when i said signing Wood or grant instead of Bojan+Favs?

But sure. Zero chance that Christian Wood choose more money/winning/bigger role over less money/losing/bigger role. Zero.
 
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latin jazz said:
How do you know we would work out a contract extension? Let's ask Denver.

Why was the FO interested in players like Mirotic or Portis? Because they had expressed their interest in the Jazz (openly and probably behind closed doors). GMs do have more information than you or me. They get to players, through agents, current players, coaches, friends, etc. They would have some kind of idea if Grant would see Utah as a long-term fit before pulling the trigger. Even then, there is always assimetry of information...

Yay! a trip to the WCF. Those are nice. Then Grant left.
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Now you are just acting like typical brainless FO homer.

There shouldn't be any FO firing in professional sports because you know, every GM in the league ALWAYS knows exactly what they are doing with all the access to players, agents, coaches, friends. etc.

I'm sure New York Knicks, Detroit Pistons and Cleveland Cavs GMs, who absolutely STOLE three second round picks from us in a series of moves a few months back, would totally agree. Sixers, Clippers and T'Wolves GMs just wish they knew it sooner, so they can all get together and chant,

"Long live Dennis Lindsey!"
 
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