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Trade for Zach Lavine

Hack said:
I'm sure you would.

Hey fun fact for you since I know you are dead set on hating Lavine.

Lavine's career high in points is 37, the same as Haywards, and Lavine did it against the Jazz, a good defensive team, and he did it as a rookie.

But I guess that means he sucks right?

If we had a player that did that as a rookie you'd cream your pants. Why you gotta be a hater bro. Don't you want the team to be good?
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Correction: Lavine scored 27 pts vs. the Jazz.
I remember that game by Lavine vs. the Jazz. The kid looked fearless and was hitting clutch 3s like Steph Curry that night. Lavine has a higher "ceiling" than Hayward IMO. Lavine has off the charts athleticism and could become a Russell Westbrook type player one day. Hayward is solid, but he's not going to ever get much better than what he is now.

Zach Lavine scored 37 pts on the road vs. Golden State in his rookie year. The 37 points is an all-time Timberwolves record for a rookie.
 
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I remember that game too, the Wolves had 7 players and he shot the lights out, contested 3's and all. They had nothing to lose and no other players to call upon. I don't hate the dude, i've said more that once his shooting stroke is good. I just think you're sucked in by his flash and don't see he has the nous and smarts to be really good night in and night out in the NBA. Defensively he's clueless.
 
DownUnder said:
I remember that game too, the Wolves had 7 players and he shot the lights out, contested 3's and all. They had nothing to lose and no other players to call upon. I don't hate the dude, i've said more that once his shooting stroke is good. I just think you're sucked in by his flash and don't see he has the nous and smarts to be really good night in and night out in the NBA. Defensively he's clueless.
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Why do people keep trying to say he is dumb? Do you have anything to back that up? Have you honestly watched much of his games? Where are you getting this notion that he is dumb from? He's young. Don't you believe that people can get better and smarter with hard work? Don't you think that if he had the right developmental coaches around him that he would get better?

I ask again. Where are you getting that he is dumb from? It really sounds like it is just what you want to believe.

How many players his age do you know of, that are lock down defenders and finished products?
 
akirac73 said:
Correction: Lavine scored 27 pts vs. the Jazz.
I remember that game by Lavine vs. the Jazz. The kid looked fearless and was hitting clutch 3s like Steph Curry that night. Lavine has a higher "ceiling" than Hayward IMO. Lavine has off the charts athleticism and could become a Russell Westbrook type player one day. Hayward is solid, but he's not going to ever get much better than what he is now.

Zach Lavine scored 37 pts on the road vs. Golden State in his rookie year. The 37 points is an all-time Timberwolves record for a rookie.
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That's right. I got it mixed up.

But even better right? He showed that he could go toe to toe with the best. Curry is the guy you go through to win it all right now.
 
PG_AB said:
Zach LaVine is a really good prospect, should've gone top-10. if he was on Utah he'd be a fan favorite. He can light it up.. LaVine could come off the bench with the green-light, and change the pace, that's viable - LaVine can really get out in transition. He could play next to Burks in the backcourt easily.

I'd consider this type of 3 way trade.

To Utah; Timberwolves 1st round pick, Shabazz Muhammad, Zach LaVine, Joakim Noah (injured/expiring)

To Minnesota; Gordon Hayward, Kirk Hinrich

To Chicago: Nikola Pekovic, Trey Burke, 2 2nd round picks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL8b0a1Lyrk


This trade would probably put the Jazz in full tank mode this season, unless somehow they play really well with all the moving parts it'd difficult to imagine, would give Hood time to get acclimated to handling a bigger scoring load though..

It's not terrible value, that T'wolves pick is going to land a top tier player in this draft. The Timberwolves would end up with Rubio-Wiggins-Hayward-FA?!-Towns, thats pretty damn good.

Also they should do this before the ASB so LaVine can win the Dunk contest in a Jazz Jersey.
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No offense, but I really don't see why the Wolves do this. That is a lot of assets to give up for Hayward, who only has 1.5 years left on his deal. That's basically ending their rebuild right then and there when they could potentially get another big time player on a rookie deal. Minnesota would have to get something back besides Hinrich in that deal.
 
Also, does Pekovic even have positive value anymore? He is getting paid 12 million a year the next 2 years and is coming of achilles surgery. He is always injury prone and can't play defense. You probably have to give Chicago more to take that burden.
 
Pekovic and Gobert would not work well together. Gobert needs to defend around the basket. Pekovic is too slow to guard anyone on the perimeter so he'd end up clogging the middle and getting in Rudy's way. That is the beauty of the Favors/Gobert tandem. Favors can guard anyone anywhere on the court, allowing Gobert to concentrate on protecting the rim.
 
akirac73 said:
Pekovic and Gobert would not work well together. Gobert needs to defend around the basket. Pekovic is too slow to guard anyone on the perimeter so he'd end up clogging the middle and getting in Rudy's way. That is the beauty of the Favors/Gobert tandem. Favors can guard anyone anywhere on the court, allowing Gobert to concentrate on protecting the rim.
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And vice-versa. Gobert can leave the middle to defend because Favors ain't too shabby of a rim protector himself, Has to be disheartening to an opponent to finally think they've gotten past Rudy...only to run into the Trans DF Express blocking the tracks.
 
PG_AB said:
The biggest asset that returns to the Jazz is the T'wolves pick, not LaVine. The Wolves have the 4th worst record in the league, which would put the Jazz in position for 2 top-10 picks..
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Would they remain the 4th worst record in the league if they add Hayward and burke?
The draft pick we get from them would get worse as the season went on imo
 
fishonjazz said:
Would they remain the 4th worst record in the league if they add Hayward and burke?
The draft pick we get from them would get worse as the season went on imo
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Sure, lets say they play play .500 ball that'd put them at 32-50.

It's still a top-ten pick.

That pick still has a few % chance to hit a top-3 spot, and the Jazz pick might be able to do the same with theres. If Towns were to get injured they'd stay in the top-5 for sure.
 
Zach Lavine with 35 points tonight on 14/17 shooting. 82% FG

He's 20 years old

Every game that we don't go after him = less of a chance we could get him.
 
Hack said:
Zach Lavine with 35 points tonight on 14/17 shooting. 82% FG

He's 20 years old

Every game that we don't go after him = less of a chance we could get him.
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In a game that his team lost with a scoreline of 126-123 .. what does that tell you about how much NBA calibre defense was being played ??
 
DownUnder said:
In a game that his team lost with a scoreline of 126-123 .. what does that tell you about how much NBA calibre defense was being played ??
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If you try hard enough you can find a way to spin anything.

He's 20 years old, playing with other young players, and playing with really old scrubs. They are a bad team. They just went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the league, with two of the best players in the league.

What is your point? He still had to make that happen, regardless of whatever spin you want to put on it.
 
DownUnder said:
the point is in a freewheeling game he looks great.
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haha. What's a freewheeling game?

So now playing the Thunder is just Brees for anyone to score a lot? Why arent we seeing that from everyone they play? Can you show me all the times this happens against them from just anybody who wants to freewheel it?
 
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