Trade idea, Hayward to the Suns

[Batman]

Fair enough. I have no problem with people who want us to give Hayward the max. He is in that grayish area I think. Thinking we should max him is a valid opinion.

I think it's right that there are some who would max him and some who wouldn't. I think it's something that I hope our management debates and really researched and thinks about. It would be weird and wrong if 100% of people thought we should max him or 100% thought we shouldn't.

We are not talking about a no brainer yes we should max him like lebron or durant. And we are not talking about a no brainer no we should not max him like trevor booker or something.

You make good points. But I'd say after the FO considered their current cap and roster situation, along with the market and what other alternative routes available which they could have taken, I think after all was weighed, it was a no brainer to sign him to the max. That's all I'm saying really.


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[Jeffrey32]

Phoenix would jump on that. Not Sure Utah would. I might consider Brandon Knight, #4, #13 for Hayward and Burke. I would take Jaylen Brown with #4

 

[Justys]

Phoenix would jump on that. Not Sure Utah would. I might consider Brandon Knight, #4, #13 for Hayward and Burke. I would take Jaylen Brown with #4

I would love for that trade to happen. Utah adds opens up the rest of Haywards cap space next year, adds depth in 4th, 12th, 13th. Plus they go after a sf this year in F.A. ( James, Durrant, Jonas, Ryan Anderson, Parsons, Batum) Get it done, DL!

 

[BENTLEY]

I don't think the Jazz' record changes much with or without G-time. When he misses games (which is rare - I'll give him that) it creates a vacuum and other players step up and fill that vacuum just as well Hayward, if not better (Hood, Burks).

so yeah, I agree with Fish. Trade G-time if you can.


Even if he was the best player on the jazz (debatable) he's not a superstar - and the jazz need a superstar. I think Hood or Burks' talents are on par with Hayward. IE: trade Hayward for a shot at a superstar. ....Dunno 'bout 3rd or 4th pick though. I want Ingram. ...probably not happening.

 

[Hekate]

I don't think the Jazz' record changes much with or without G-time. When he misses games (which is rare - I'll give him that) it creates a vacuum and other players step up and fill that vacuum just as well Hayward, if not better (Hood, Burks).

so yeah, I agree with Fish. Trade G-time if you can.


Even if he was the best player on the jazz (debatable) he's not a superstar - and the jazz need a superstar. I think Hood or Burks' talents are on par with Hayward. IE: trade Hayward for a shot at a superstar. ....Dunno 'bout 3rd or 4th pick though. I want Ingram. ...probably not happening.

It's not sustaniable. Hood is wildly inconsistent and Burks hardly plays. They can't step up game in game out. Not yet at least. Teams will shift their focus on Hood and Burks.

If you don't like the draft this year, you can always sign Hayward to whatevrr the market dictates and trade him next year or the year after. Hayward is damn good player, he will contribute to any team and damn good players with longer contracts are easier to trade.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's not sustaniable. Hood is wildly inconsistent

Hayward shoots .433 from the field, and .349 from the and .824 from the line.
Hood shoots .420 from the field and .359 from three and .860 from the line. (Hood doesn't get to the line much though and Hayward does)

Efg% for hood is .503
Efg% for Hayward is .493

So if hood is wildly inconsistent then Hayward is too.... Or Hayward is just consistently mediocre efficiency wise.

What is Haywards elite skill? What is he really good at?
He is not a good shooter. He is not a good ball handler. He is not good at posting up. Not particularly good in the pick n roll. Not particularly good at beating his man off the dribble (not a very quick first step). He is good but not great at rebounding and assists. He is pretty good at getting to the line.
I think he is underrated as a defender though and is pretty elite in that regard.
I also think he is very good at making tough shots. Problem with that is since he isn't very quick and doesn't elevate much he struggles to get easy shots.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hoods efficiency will likely drop without Hayward as he will be using more possessions. Gordon is our best offensive player and it isn't really close. I don't have time to look it up but our offense goes to **** when he isn't on the court. Much like having favors with no Gobert makes us an okay defensive team but no longer good... Having Hayward without hood will really hurt.

That said if we are currently prepared to give Hayward megamax right now then we don't trade him. If management isn't sure you get the best asset you can get now... Whether that is Ingram, or the #4 pick and knight or Bledsoe. You don't make this decision next offseason... You make it now.

 

[Boris]

Im not saying it would be. I can't predict the future. I'm saying that there is a chance that we end up regretting giving hayward max money. And if we did end up regretting it then there is a chance that trading him and his contract could be difficult to the point that we don't get equal value back for the player that we would be giving up.


I think the philosophy of another team would pay a player X amount so that means it's a good idea for us to pay them that amount and the philosophy of we can always just trade the player later if things don't work out right are two philosophies that I think are flawed due to looking at the present salaries in the nba and the salaries of the past.


Sometimes you can trade them later for good value. Sometimes you should pay market value.
Not always. That's all.

Okay well if we trade him where does he go? Honestly, I think Hayward makes Houston a instant champion. Do they have equal assets in return? What if Dallas? Does Dirk have any fuel left in the tank?

Basically what I am sayin is we need to find a team willing to bet the farm. Prob is top teams cannot offer top draft picks.

 

[Boris]

Hoods efficiency will likely drop without Hayward as he will be using more possessions. Gordon is our best offensive player and it isn't really close. I don't have time to look it up but our offense goes to **** when he isn't on the court. Much like having favors with no Gobert makes us an okay defensive team but no longer good... Having Hayward without hood will really hurt.

That said if we are currently prepared to give Hayward megamax right now then we don't trade him. If management isn't sure you get the best asset you can get now... Whether that is Ingram, or the #4 pick and knight or Bledsoe. You don't make this decision next offseason... You make it now.

Hayward is extremely underrated by Jazz fans. He is the only player besides Burke that can create its own shot and Burke sucks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hayward is extremely underrated by Jazz fans. He is the only player besides Burke that can create its own shot and Burke sucks.

Hood can create his own shot too, but yeah I think we underestimate what Hayward brings. Rudy and him are our most indispensable guys imo. I love what Favors brings too but he doesn't drive our identity on either end of the floor like those guys do.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Hayward shoots .433 from the field, and .349 from the and .824 from the line.
Hood shoots .420 from the field and .359 from three and .860 from the line. (Hood doesn't get to the line much though and Hayward does)

Efg% for hood is .503
Efg% for Hayward is .493

So if hood is wildly inconsistent then Hayward is too.... Or Hayward is just consistently mediocre efficiency wise.

What is Haywards elite skill? What is he really good at?
He is not a good shooter. He is not a good ball handler. He is not good at posting up. Not particularly good in the pick n roll. Not particularly good at beating his man off the dribble (not a very quick first step). He is good but not great at rebounding and assists. He is pretty good at getting to the line.
I think he is underrated as a defender though and is pretty elite in that regard.
I also think he is very good at making tough shots. Problem with that is since he isn't very quick and doesn't elevate much he struggles to get easy shots.

Hayward is the focal point of defenses, Hood isn't. It makes a big difference. Hood does well because of Hayward.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward is the focal point of defenses, Hood isn't. It makes a big difference. Hood does well because of Hayward.

The first part of your post is fact. The 2nd part is assumption and speculation.

Most every first option starts as something else. Then gets the first option job and either succeeds or doesn't.

If hood was the first option next year he might succeed and he might not. It's impossible to know for sure.