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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

LogGrad98 said:
Confirmation bias. It is both an argument for and against using stats. Hell you can use stats to show anything you want, or ignore them and call them stupid. 62.5% of all stats are made up on the spot anyway.
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I’d rather have stats back up what I see rather than dismissing stats because it doesn’t match what I see.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think people just seem to think that having a "floor general" point guard who is pass first is super critical. And it was a long time ago. Todays game has quite a few score first point guards starting for very very good teams. Ja morant is more of a scorer than a passer (good passer too though), Kyrie irving is more of a scorer than a passer (he averages 5.1 assists per game). Jamaal Murray averages 5.7 assists per game and is score first. Fox averages 6.1 assists per game is a score first guy. Clippers have terrance mann listed as starting point guard and averaging 2.1 assists though Im guessing that is due to injury. Reggie jackson is probably their normal point guard and averages 3.6 points per game.
I think sexton could average 5-7 assists per game if he got the minutes. NAW and THT as well.
Point being that many teams are successful without a true floor general pass first point guard.
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It's not a black/white thing. This isnt the 90's. There really arent any "true" PG's left. You have to be a scoring threat, but you have to be a scoring threat who can equally see passing opportunities and scoring opportunities, and knows when to be on/off the ball w/ quick decisions, basically a 2nd coach on the floor. That is the essence of what being a PG is. Sexton is closer to Carmelo Anthony than he is Mike Conley.

And yes Fish, when you are a team with a playmaking superstar (or multiple) the need for a PG is less so. But guess what? The Clippers are in the trade rumors looking for *GASP*..... a PG. And until the Jazz land a self-creation super-star, they will desperately need some kind of higher level playmaking PG who can both score himself and set-up the team.
 
fishonjazz said:
Not as important as you might think in todays nba. See my previous post. NBA is different today than it was back in the day. Not many pure pass first point guards anymore. Still a good thing to have but not super necessary anymore.
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I see you point. I just think that you need high IQ players who are capable to make advanced reads, especially at the highest level (playoffs). And having a good PG helps so much. The Jazz is night and day with/without Conley. But he is old and declining and I don't think any of the other players are capable of making the right read or decision when it matters. That's why I disagree with the statement we are deep at PG. SG? Sure.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think people just seem to think that having a "floor general" point guard who is pass first is super critical. And it was a long time ago. Todays game has quite a few score first point guards starting for very very good teams. Ja morant is more of a scorer than a passer (good passer too though), Kyrie irving is more of a scorer than a passer (he averages 5.1 assists per game). Jamaal Murray averages 5.7 assists per game and is score first. Fox averages 6.1 assists per game is a score first guy. Clippers have terrance mann listed as starting point guard and averaging 2.1 assists though Im guessing that is due to injury. Reggie jackson is probably their normal point guard and averages 3.6 points per game.
I think sexton could average 5-7 assists per game if he got the minutes. NAW and THT as well.
Point being that many teams are successful without a true floor general pass first point guard.
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I agree with you about the role of a point guard. But I do think you need some sort of leadership on the floor. A guy who can control the tempo of a game, knows when to run what play etc. It can be your small forward (like with Ingles) or your center (as in Jokic). Other than Mike we don’t really have anyone who can do that consistently and my fear is that we fall into chaos if we solely rely on the young guys for that at this point. But if we’re tanking that would be fine.
 
Udidthizz said:
I agree with you about the role of a point guard. But I do think you need some sort of leadership on the floor. A guy who can control the tempo of a game, knows when to run what play etc. It can be your small forward (like with Ingles) or your center (as in Jokic). Other than Mike we don’t really have anyone who can do that consistently and my fear is that we fall into chaos if we solely rely on the young guys for that at this point. But if we’re tanking that would be fine.
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I miss Ingles. He would be so good with Lauri
 
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