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KqWIN said:
Capela did not play better than normal, I think Rudy played worse than his normal. Hard to say because the situation was very different from a regular season game. There was nothing normal about what either team was doing defensively.

Having said that, it's really irrelevant to your language. You said they played to a wash, if that's what you believe, then Capela did not outplay him. In order to outplay Rudy, he must have had to play better than Rudy. You can't say it was a wash but also that Capela outplayed him. Those things cannot exist at the same time.
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When the playing field to start isn’t even and it’s a wash afterwards I think one side outplayed the other don’t you?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It doesn't mean he was outplayed though. I never thought in that series "if you switched Capela and Rudy the Jazz win". Both guys feed off of other players and Harden is worlds better at putting defenses in jail.

Gordon played pretty well and Donovan was pretty bad by his standards... Did Gordon outplay Donovan?
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Capela was their 3rd or 4th best player this is the entire point. Why should you expect the Jazz to win if we swapped him with our best player? I think Gobert could have played better that series and Capela rose to the occasion in that series. Did Gobert really step up to help us win in that series? He didn’t hurt us but he didn’t do anything to significantly increase our chances of winning.

Only reason we even won one game was because of Donovan.
 
Elizah Huge said:
When the playing field to start isn’t even and it’s a wash afterwards I think one side outplayed the other don’t you?
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No. I think that means you'd be very happy with how the matchup went. It does not mean one side outplayed the other.

And again, they didn't even play to an even level. But if they did, that is a wash not being outplayed. It is impossible to play to a wash and also be outplayed.
 
KqWIN said:
Realistically, where would you expect us to place defensively with Capela? I see no argument to expect it to be much better than 25th....very hard to be a top 4 seed in the west with that kind of defense.
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I mean it depends on a lot of things. Is Donovan going to fulfill his annual promise to be better defensively? Probably will be marginally better... will at least be motivated to prove something with Rudy gone. Are the parts of KCP, JC, Huerter (or whatever we get) better than Mike, Bogey, etc. Does a new coach provide some switching stuff... Like Sean Sweeney didn't have a major change in personnel on the Mavs and they went from awful to awesome.

I think we go from 11th to maybe 19th or 20th in most situations. Maybe we fall below that. Our number this year is a little wonky because Rudy missed more time than normal. I don't think we are bottom 5 though...

Your point is well taken though.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Capela was their 3rd or 4th best player this is the entire point. Why should you expect the Jazz to win if we swapped him with our best player? I think Gobert could have played better that series and Capela rose to the occasion in that series. Did Gobert really step up to help us win in that series? He didn’t hurt us but he didn’t do anything to significantly increase our chances of winning.

Only reason we even won one game was because of Donovan.
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He did though... the defense was not the issue in that series... it was the offense that **** the bed. He could have played better sure... but if I suck at something and someone is awesome at something and I end up holding my own it doesn't mean I outplayed them... Clint was good... we can leave it there.
 
I will be so ****ing hyped if we get Collins/Capela/16 and one of Hunter/Huerter.

Moving Donovan to full-time PG will help not only him but the offense as a whole as well.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He did though... the defense was not the issue in that series... it was the offense that **** the bed. He could have played better sure... but if I suck at something and someone is awesome at something and I end up holding my own it doesn't mean I outplayed them... Clint was good... we can leave it there.
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Fair enough. I do remember Capela being better than normal that series. I am willing to compromise and say that doesn’t mean he outplayed Rudy.. but it certainly is something.
 
Capela/Whiteside would fill the void Rudy leaves by giving us solid rim protection 48 minutes a night. If Capela or Whiteside go down, big Dok is there to fill in (unless he gets shipped out).
 
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