Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[kcgar]

I ask that you objectively watch this video. Please. Watch it, then we can discuss.

Donovan Mitchell attacks the painted area, and on almost every single finish in the lane, he is past his guy but has to deal with either Rudy's defender or Whiteside's defender. And before somebody makes a comment, he's not getting past his opponent using Rudy's screen every time. Don is simply blowing by his man sometimes.

If we had a system with bigs who could shoot, Don's finishing or his assist rate would go up substantially. When he gets to the paint, which he does and will, the opponent either gives up the outside shot or the layup.

Don has some amazing assists in this video for the slip screener. House and Royce both get the pass and dribble in for the finish. Rudy can't get the ball that high and dribble in. For as good a screen as Rudy sets, his pace towards the rim and Don's is just different. Players have styles and strengths. Don isn't a PG, but he can facilitate a bunch for a SG. A player like Trae plays in a way that feeds Rudy more. It's a style thing not a selfish thing.

Don doesn't play in a way that gets the best out of Rudy and Rudy doesn't have the skill set to play the way to get the best out of Don the facilitator.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqlrCkUX6ZQ

Are you serious? This is the video you are using as a defense for Donovan? The only thing that this video shows positively for Donovan is that he can make a lot of circus shots. You claimed that he had to deal with Rudy or Whiteside's defender a lot. He had to once in that video and he should have passed it to Hassan but chose to go to a low percentage circus shot. Other times he was making the wrong decision by running into Rudy and Rudy's guy or creating a more cramped paint. He made ONE pass the entire video and it was a simple slip screen that any ball handler in the NBA can and should make. Again, if you want a person to take low percentage circus shots (granted more go in than you would think), especially on taller defenders, then Don is your guy.

 

[LoPo]

Are you serious? This is the video you are using as a defense for Donovan? The only thing that this video shows positively for Donovan is that he can make a lot of circus shots. You claimed that he had to deal with Rudy or Whiteside's defender a lot. He had to once in that video and he should have passed it to Hassan but chose to go to a low percentage circus shot. Other times he was making the wrong decision by running into Rudy and Rudy's guy or creating a more cramped paint. He made ONE pass the entire video and it was a simple slip screen that any ball handler in the NBA can and should make. Again, if you want a person to take low percentage circus shots (granted more go in than you would think), especially on taller defenders, then Don is your guy.

At not point at all did I use this as a defense of Donovan. It's a video to show play style.

When Don is driving into the paint and Rudy is down there, what the **** is Don supposed to do if he can't hit the miracle lob to Rudy? Just back it out every time Rudy is down there clogging the space unable to do **** because he can't post up?

Don hit 3 slip screen assists (2 to House and 1 to Royce). Rudy is a lob threat and not a slip screen threat at all. Don is a finisher at the rim. They don't mesh well together. Rudy needs a Lonzo, Trae, Chris Paul type. Don needs an inside/outside big man.

It's not a knock or credit to either. It's just how they are built. My video is about style.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think there are some stats that can prove almost any argument, but I just don't believe that the Don and Rudy PnR works come playoff time. I'm not blaming either player. Guys are just built differently with their strengths and weaknesses. I think Don works better with an agile/dynamic big in the PnR. There is a reason why Quin tries to run so much PnR with Conley/Rudy while Don plays a lot of his minutes with Rudy on the bench.

If we shoot better, I think we push that series to 7 games. You're right, it would help if we could shoot better.

As for defense, we will need a completely different gameplan if we trade Rudy. It will be a work in progress, but I believe we can still be fine. Next year isn't about being the #1 seed again. Next year would be about making the playoffs with signs of a better future using the Rudy trade assets.

It has in the past... either teams commit too much attention to Rudy on the roll and Donovan gets loose or shooters get open. It is the main action that starts the blender. The problem with Dallas was more about bad shooting. Against Denver, Clips, and Memphis last year the offense was very good.

Defense needs to be addressed either way. I think the systems there are a bigger problem than the offensive systems. The personnel needs a lot of help too.

It sounds as though the tone is Donovan and Rudy likely stay with some reconfiguration... which is smarter than trading just one of them unless there was a monster offer for Rudy. My guess with the new tone is that part of it is there was no monster offer out there at first kick of the tires. It could also be smokescreens to help increase the offers on the table. It could also be a realization that trading one of them leaves us in a position where we aren't good enough to have any all-stars.

So I'm cool with giving it a shot if they can find some wing help. It will be a tall order given that they won't use cap exceptions and their players have limited trade value.

 

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Jazz Have No Desire To Enter Rebuild This Offseason

Jazz Have No Desire To Enter Rebuild This Offseason - RealGM Wiretap

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Jazz Have No Desire To Enter Rebuild This Offseason
MAY 11, 2022 11:24 AM

The Utah Jazz will host the 2023 NBA All-Star Game, which multiple league sources have described as a "critical element of the franchise's future plans."
Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report adds that it is of "great importance to Jazz governor Ryan Smith that Utah has multiple players in that midseason classic."
The leadership of the Jazz have no "no designs of entering any sort of rebuild" this offseason despite their first round elimination.
Instead of pursuing a trade of either Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert, the Jazz could explore the market for Bojan Bogdanovic, Royce O'Neale and Mike Conley.

I'm still on the fence of whether that's a good decision or not, but the reasoning is HORRIBLE! If they decide to keep Mitchell and Rudy I really hope it's not because of the All-Star Game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

God I hope Mitchell misses the All-Star game so badly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

At not point at all did I use this as a defense of Donovan. It's a video to show play style.

When Don is driving into the paint and Rudy is down there, what the **** is Don supposed to do if he can't hit the miracle lob to Rudy? Just back it out every time Rudy is down there clogging the space unable to do **** because he can't post up?

Don hit 3 slip screen assists (2 to House and 1 to Royce). Rudy is a lob threat and not a slip screen threat at all. Don is a finisher at the rim. They don't mesh well together. Rudy needs a Lonzo, Trae, Chris Paul type. Don needs an inside/outside big man.

It's not a knock or credit to either. It's just how they are built. My video is about style.

Drop off pass is one of the easiest in basketball imo. Rudy may not catch it and the game plan may be for Donovan to put up the shot and if its a miss then Hassan or Rudy clean it up... the Kobe Assist. The other thing Donovan could do is pass the ball to the big a little more if he wants less attention. If I know a guy is gonna shoot it 90% of the time I will play the shot the whole way.

It won't be completely clear whether there is a traditional big or a stretch big. Teams will still drop to the paint... so its a kick to the corner instead of a drop off pass... we get plenty of those opportunities.

The one thing I wish Rudy had in the pick and roll is the ability to catch and finish the pocket pass type plays. I think that would help Donovan a little.

 

[homeytennis]

I was talking with a guy I know that was a small college basketball coach about all the big leads the Jazz have blown in the past couple of seasons and he opined that the culprit may be as much or more crappy offense as much as matador defense. He said that if you start running bad offensive sets it really puts undue pressure on the defense. Makes sense I guess.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jazz Have No Desire To Enter Rebuild This Offseason

Jazz Have No Desire To Enter Rebuild This Offseason - RealGM Wiretap

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I'm still on the fence of whether that's a good decision or not, but the reasoning is HORRIBLE! If they decide to keep Mitchell and Rudy I really hope it's not because of the All-Star Game.

I think I prefer to break it up now... but the logic of keeping those two together another year and then trading both and doing a full rebuild is not bad at all. Its literally been in my signature.

If by some miracle the get a guy like Deni Avdija and he improves his shooting and you find a way to get one more solid wing... then maybe you have something. Maybe they sign a guy from the bargain bin like @Saint Cy of JFC 's favorite Yuta Wantanbe and he puts it all together like Gary Payton. That is a better bet then "hey maybe we trade one of our all-stars and somehow improve".

I think it also means if things go south in season they won't be afraid to wrap it up early... say there is an injury to one of the guys.

The reasoning being the all-star game is deeeeepppplllllyyyyy troubling. Thats some Sacramento Kings ****.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just go watch Rudy highlights from the recent Olympics. The dude can do *some* damage in the post when getting him the ball isnt an afterthought.

 

[kcgar]

Don hit 3 slip screen assists (2 to House and 1 to Royce). Rudy is a lob threat and not a slip screen threat at all. Don is a finisher at the rim.

I think we are watching different videos, because I just watched it again and there is only one pass to Royce and no passes to House

 

[LoPo]

I think we are watching different videos, because I just watched it again and there is only one pass to Royce and no passes to House

In the game, and I believe all in the 2nd quarter almost consecutively, Don and House connected on 2 and Royce got 1.

No clue why we abandoned it.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think I prefer to break it up now... but the logic of keeping those two together another year and then trading both and doing a full rebuild is not bad at all. Its literally been in my signature.

If by some miracle the get a guy like Deni Avdija and he improves his shooting and you find a way to get one more solid wing... then maybe you have something. Maybe they sign a guy from the bargain bin like @Saint Cy of JFC 's favorite Yuta Wantanbe and he puts it all together like Gary Payton. That is a better bet then "hey maybe we trade one of our all-stars and somehow improve".

I think it also means if things go south in season they won't be afraid to wrap it up early... say there is an injury to one of the guys.

The reasoning being the all-star game is deeeeepppplllllyyyyy troubling. Thats some Sacramento Kings ****.

Signing Yuta is a must imo.