Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think you’re giving it a C- because you’re favoring THT as an F. THT deal is terrible, for sure. But if you get a 40% in a class, it’s still the same F as someone who got 60%, even if they are fairly far apart. They were both Fs. Different percentiles of bad but both Fs.

In some ways it’s an F… it has yet to produce a future asset which should be our focus (converting players with value now for future value). It still has potential to bring value later and at least doesn’t add a future liability.

They also may not be looking at this team situation the same as us. We want no good players back so we can tank… if you are just looking player for player it’s bad but it’s not F bad. If you were looking at it as two years of KO for 24M vs 1 year of Bogey for 19.5 then maybe it’s okay to get the worse player?

That’s why it’s a c- in my grade book.

 

[infection]

In some ways it’s an F… it has yet to produce a future asset which should be our focus (converting players with value now for future value). It still has potential to bring value later and at least doesn’t add a future liability.

They also may not be looking at this team situation the same as us. We want no good players back so we can tank… if you are just looking player for player it’s bad but it’s not F bad. If you were looking at it as two years of KO for 24M vs 1 year of Bogey for 19.5 then maybe it’s okay to get the worse player?

That’s why it’s a c- in my grade book.

Sure, but show me any potential Bogey trade that makes us better than having Olynyk. Getting worse would have been a byproduct of any asset move for Bojan. Unless we’re saying hanging on to him for longer compromises the tank, to which I’d say that they haven’t sufficiently gutted the team as is, if that’s the goal.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There's a chance the Gobert doesnt produce a single "plus" starter.

At least the Mitchell trade likely has at least one in Markkanen.

Ehh. I think the odds are good in the later part of the decade that we'll start seeing good returns.

 

[gomretat]

Hard for me to grade because I would love to see some combination of the assets we got with our non Rudy trades and see them suit up with Rudy. That would be a season to look forward to. And for anyone who follows the draft, Cy is correct in his assessment of the Rudy deal. It might be great but the odds of getting someone as good as Rudy in return are not great.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ehh. I think the odds are good in the later part of the decade that we'll start seeing good returns.

I will pray for the downfall of Cleveland everyday.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ehh. I think the odds are good in the later part of the decade that we'll start seeing good returns.

We will start reaping benefits of the Gobert trade immediately with a pick in the teens this year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hard for me to grade because I would love to see some combination of the assets we got with our non Rudy trades and see them suit up with Rudy. That would be a season to look forward to. And for anyone who follows the draft, Cy is correct in his assessment of the Rudy deal. It might be great but the odds of getting someone as good as Rudy in return are not great.

I’ve been thinking about that a lot. The return on Donovan fits better around Gobert than what we had AND got us assets down the road.

 

[Jingled]

We will start reaping benefits of the Gobert trade immediately with a pick in the teens this year.

I really don't see it. Rudy is one of the best regular season players in the league, so he is going to help the Timberwolves win a ton of games. Plus, I think Minnesota is going to take the regular season very seriously, whereas a lot of teams will be more focused on the playoffs and won't care about seeding and will probably rest their guys a lot. I think there's a good chance Minnesota gets the 1 or 2 seed in the west.

 

[Jingled]

Hard for me to grade because I would love to see some combination of the assets we got with our non Rudy trades and see them suit up with Rudy. That would be a season to look forward to. And for anyone who follows the draft, Cy is correct in his assessment of the Rudy deal. It might be great but the odds of getting someone as good as Rudy in return are not great.

I've thought about this a lot too, but I'm not sure how good we would've been. Is a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert really better than Conley/Mitchell/Bogey/Royce/Gobert? Obviously Markkanen is a better player overall than Royce, at least offensively, but Sexton isn't nearly as good as Mitchell. Seems like that team is destined for a first-round exit just like last years team. I guess we possibly could've used the draft assets we got in the Mitchell deal to trade for another star to play with Gobert, but I'm not sure who that would've been, or if it would've worked out any better than Mithell and Gobert did.

Gobert is one of my all-time favorite Jazzmen and I believe he is the 3rd best player in franchise history. At the same time, I also believe he makes a much bigger impact in the regular season than he does in the playoffs. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now, and big men in the NBA tend to age faster. Given the unbelievable asset haul we got for Gobert, and given his age and contract, I think we made the right move.

 

[HeatCheck]

I really don't see it. Rudy is one of the best regular season players in the league, so he is going to help the Timberwolves win a ton of games. Plus, I think Minnesota is going to take the regular season very seriously, whereas a lot of teams will be more focused on the playoffs and won't care about seeding and will probably rest their guys a lot. I think there's a good chance Minnesota gets the 1 or 2 seed in the west.

Yeah I think Rudy+Edwards is probably enough to at least get them a 4 seed and that doesn't even include KAT and the other guys on their roster. There are some questions regarding some of last year's playoff teams in the WC...like what is going on in Phoenix?
I'll be pleasantly surprised if they end up a lower playoff seed though.

 

[HeatCheck]

I've thought about this a lot too, but I'm not sure how good we would've been. Is a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert really better than Conley/Mitchell/Bogey/Royce/Gobert? Obviously Markkanen is a better player overall than Royce, at least offensively, but Sexton isn't nearly as good as Mitchell. Seems like that team is destined for a first-round exit just like last years team. I guess we possibly could've used the draft assets we got in the Mitchell deal to trade for another star to play with Gobert, but I'm not sure who that would've been, or if it would've worked out any better than Mithell and Gobert did.

Gobert is one of my all-time favorite Jazzmen and I believe he is the 3rd best player in franchise history. At the same time, I also believe he makes a much bigger impact in the regular season than he does in the playoffs. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now, and big men in the NBA tend to age faster. Given the unbelievable asset haul we got for Gobert, and given his age and contract, I think we made the right move.

I think if they kept Gobert and still traded Don the starting unit could be: Rudy/Markk/Royce/Sexton/Conley with Bogey, JC, NAW, and Agbaji off the bench? Honestly I do think that is a better all around team but potentially still a first round playoff exit. They would've had all the picks and swaps from the Don trade too. It's all water under the bridge at this point though..

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've thought about this a lot too, but I'm not sure how good we would've been. Is a lineup of Conley/Sexton/Bogey/Markkanen/Gobert really better than Conley/Mitchell/Bogey/Royce/Gobert? Obviously Markkanen is a better player overall than Royce, at least offensively, but Sexton isn't nearly as good as Mitchell. Seems like that team is destined for a first-round exit just like last years team. I guess we possibly could've used the draft assets we got in the Mitchell deal to trade for another star to play with Gobert, but I'm not sure who that would've been, or if it would've worked out any better than Mithell and Gobert did.

Gobert is one of my all-time favorite Jazzmen and I believe he is the 3rd best player in franchise history. At the same time, I also believe he makes a much bigger impact in the regular season than he does in the playoffs. He's also on the wrong side of 30 now, and big men in the NBA tend to age faster. Given the unbelievable asset haul we got for Gobert, and given his age and contract, I think we made the right move.

At some point I made a thread or a post like "Sexton is 75% of what Mitchell is" and I think that might have been very dumb.