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LoPo said:
Overall defensive raptor.
Mike Conley and Jrue Holiday are tied for 66.

+1.2

Am I reading it wrong? If so, I'll own it

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Go by Box Score RAPTOR.

On/Off shows how a specific player's team's offense and defense fluctuates based on whether or not he is on the court.

  • The “on-off” element of RAPTOR evaluates how a player’s team performed while he was on the floor, how the player’s courtmates (the teammates that the player most often shared the court with) performed while they were on the floor without the player, and, finally, how those courtmates’ other courtmates performed when they were on the floor without the player’s courtmates, all adjusted for the strength of competition they were facing. We know it might sound a little goofy. But it’s relatively simple to calculate. And it correlates very well with RAPM, while stabilizing a lot faster than RAPM, which can take years’ worth of data to estimate reliably.
  • Overall, however, RAPTOR weights the “box” component more highly than the “on-off” component. In testing RAPTOR on out-of-sample data, we found that while on-court/off-court stats provide useful information, they’re nonetheless quite noisy as compared with individual measures of player value that are used in the “box” part of RAPTOR.
Conley is getting a big bump from on/off by having his minutes staggered with Gobert's.
 
I don't think UtahJazz32 is Lopo's alt, but the fact that he liked Lopo's post where it later turned out Lopo was reading the wrong column does give me pause.

I guess it's possible they both read the wrong column (lol)
 
Hearsky said:
It only hurts because it's true. (waiting for the downvote from your alternate account UtahJazz32)
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What hurts? That Don is our best player and if we win in the playoffs it's because he plays great and we lose it's because he plays poorly? That fact seems to drive you up the wall with all your negativity.
 
MT Steve said:
I don't think UtahJazz32 is Lopo's alt, but the fact that he liked Lopo's post where it later turned out Lopo was reading the wrong column does give me pause.

I guess it's possible they both read the wrong column (lol)
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I'm objective enough to applaud you on that one. Well done.
 
LoPo said:
Yeah, misreading the chart was pretty bad. But I've owned it a moved on.

Doesn't make my point less valid. Steph isn't better at defending than Donovan Mitchell.
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Direct stats show this not to be true.

I'll repost what I responded to you earlier:

...in direct matchups Steph's direct opponent shoots 1.4% less than their average while Don's opponent shoots 4% better than their average. And the Jazz try to hide Mitchell too. This was the regular season. Against Dallas opponents shot 9.6% better. Both regular season and playoffs were the worst for any Jazz player getting regular minutes.

What's worse, in the playoffs two years ago, players were -9.9 below their average when Don guarded them, which shows he can play D when he wants to. A good coach would be all over this ****, instead of stroking egos...
 
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