Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

That trade doesn't do anything for me personally. Bogey can't stay healthy and Collins underwhelms me vs the contract. I would hope we can do better if we move guys. Also this team is fun to watch.

Understandable. And it might just be chasing the next Lauri like glow up guy... which may not happen again.

Its a bet that Collins has more to give and would be unlocked, and that Bogey can stay healthy. Both bets carry some risk. I'm not even sure I'm into the trade.

 

[fishonjazz]

All players are either traded or released at some point though right?

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[Elizah Huge]

Alright... here's a deal to consider...

Collins and Bogey for Beasley/KO/Vando/Gay

Helps them clear like 30M for their big cap crunch next year... gives them more flex pieces and they can opt in and keep if they work. Gives them the long term flexibility they need to sign Murray Okongwu. KO might help open up things for Okongwu. They likely aren't super excited about relying on Bogey and Collins health.

Big financial risk for us but upgrade a couple spots. IF (big if) Bogey can stay healthy I like him A LOT for us. Replaces Beasley's shooting but adds passing and playmaking. Malik has also been pretty horrific on defense. I think Bogey is an upgrade there.

Might make us more dynamic and if guys miss some time this year due to injury recovery it may aid the tank. I think you start Collins, Lauri, Kessler and then work in some Collins, Lauri at the 4/5 lineups. I think Bogey pairs well with Sexton and JC as he can do a little more playmaking.

Its a decent sized swing move but think its fairly reasonable.

I’d do it but we likely have to add a pick (I’d still do it).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’d do it but we likely have to add a pick (I’d still do it).

I don't think we would... and I would not add one. Collins has been on the block a while... the bill for their extensions is coming due. They are super mediocre... and about to be mediocre and expensive. The way Collins is currently playing isn't helping his value... and he got injured (just an ankle) again. If Bogey has a setback on his knee it will take a pick to offload him. Atlanta is running out of runway to get good or any value on those guys.

Both of those are distressed assets. KO/Vando/Malik have all helped their value. If they wanted to flip Vando for a first with some stuff then maybe that's how they get one.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don't think we would... and I would not add one. Collins has been on the block a while... the bill for their extensions is coming due. They are super mediocre... and about to be mediocre and expensive. The way Collins is currently playing isn't helping his value... and he got injured (just an ankle) again. If Bogey has a setback on his knee it will take a pick to offload him. Atlanta is running out of runway to get good or any value on those guys.

Both of those are distressed assets. KO/Vando/Malik have all helped their value. If they wanted to flip Vando for a first with some stuff then maybe that's how they get one.

I don’t know I think they value Collins more than you think they do. Most people here didn’t even want Huerter in a Gobert deal yet they dealt him for a first.

Maybe I’m valuing that outgoing package less than others? I don’t know. It seems like a no brainer and I would add a pick if needed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t know I think they value Collins more than you think they do. Most people here didn’t even want Huerter in a Gobert deal yet they dealt him for a first.

Maybe I’m valuing that outgoing package less than others? I don’t know. It seems like a no brainer and I would add a pick if needed.

Oh, I think most people wanted Huerter in a Rudy deal. I think Kevin has more value than John.

I think they have held out for a higher price on John and the market has been crickets... for literally years now. If I think my house worth $1M but the only offers I get on the market are $500k for years... time to re-evaluate. They had time to wait but with Hunter's extension kicking in next year and Murray and Okongwu on deck... something kind of has to give.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wouldn't do a pick... I might sub out Gay for NAW if the financial flexibility got it done... assuming I believe in both guys. Still not sure what is up with Collins.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Oh, I think most people wanted Huerter in a Rudy deal. I think Kevin has more value than John.

I think they have held out for a higher price on John and the market has been crickets... for literally years now. If I think my house worth $1M but the only offers I get on the market are $500k for years... time to re-evaluate. They had time to wait but with Hunter's extension kicking in next year and Murray and Okongwu on deck... something kind of has to give.

Using your analogy they end up accepting a 350k offer which I don’t see happening.

Also, you were a big part of the discussion during the off-season for potential Gobert deals. Nobody wanted Huerter you must be thinking about Hunter. People acted like he was just a toss in.

 

[Eddie Zero]

The article never said anyone was untouchable. It said the Jazz are impressed with Markkanen and it would take a lot to trade him, and that they would like to extend Clarkson because Ryan Smith likes him a lot. It never said those two were untuouchable.

Ok, read between the lines . When it suggests 2 or more players have impressed certain members of the org and everyone else is available/ you do the math. They are suggesting Marky and JC are untouchable without saying it. It is also suggesting others may be more available than they actually are. I think for example Marky and Sexton, are less likely to moved on those current contracts, than anyone else that has been getting rotation minutes, besides maybe another recent pickup like Beasley who looks worth retaining.
But Ainge is not going to have anyone thinking his pool of players are more or less available, or unavailable imo, so the source is a fool for making it seem like the info is credible.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I don't think Ainge cares how much Atlanta values Collins. He'll make his offer, and they'll either take it or leave it.

Taking a look around the league the past few years, it seems pretty clear that some teams are perfectly fine metaphorically nursing cancerous tumors and other similar type team situations.

Perhaps Atlanta is just such a team. But usually, you don't see how desperate a team is until they complete a trade.

 

[Eddie Zero]

He isnt a source. He doesnt even have Utah sources (nor does he claim to). He is citing publicly known stuff. Just clickbaiting.

Of course he wants to seem smart smh

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Using your analogy they end up accepting a 350k offer which I don’t see happening.

Also, you were a big part of the discussion during the off-season for potential Gobert deals. Nobody wanted Huerter you must be thinking about Hunter. People acted like he was just a toss in.

Maybe so.... I think its close to fair... either way its about as far as I would go. I will wait for them to declare bankruptcy and get the house at auction.

I definitely wanted Huerter.... I know others did too. Was not surprised when they got a first for him. Was actually surprised they traded him. I think if they could have got a first for JC that he would have been the budget cut instead.