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Ingles, Royce, Rudy, Donovan, Bojan and Mike...all gone. Oh, and Quin too.

Other than Udoka, Clarkson is about the only holdover from the Dennis Lindsey era.
 
We will end up 6th or 7th and have one half of an all-star duo in place.
The Jazz might end up 6th or 7th. Or others currently behind us will be just as bad. That seed will more probably turn into a worse rather than better pick than the seed. Picking 8th might get someone decent or a non-entity.

Lauri's value only goes up and he has 2 more years of team control. Move him next deadline if you feel like you must and we will get a haul.
Every day his contract is running out and losing value. He can personally improve his play of course, but that doesn't seem likely at least for the rest of the season in this hot mess. If the extension rules change, then the drop in value by the day might be different.
 
The Jazz might end up 6th or 7th. Or others currently behind us will be just as bad. That seed will more probably turn into a worse rather than better pick than the seed. Picking 8th might get someone decent or a non-entity.
Well I'd rather pick 8th than 13th... 8th has a chance to go top 4. If you are going to be a negative fatalist every path leads to death so do whatever the **** you want because none of it matters.
Every day his contract is running out and losing value. He can personally improve his play of course, but that doesn't seem likely at least for the rest of the season in this hot mess. If the extension rules change, then the drop in value by the day might be different.
Really not how it works. As long as you move someone before the final year of the contract you will normally get tremendous value. The cost is waiting until next year is minimal and if you landed some additional players that helped you win now you'd be wishing you had waited. Also... if the rest of the season is a "hot mess" how are we not falling to 6/7 when most of the teams directly behind us are actually trending up...
 
The Jazz might end up 6th or 7th. Or others currently behind us will be just as bad. That seed will more probably turn into a worse rather than better pick than the seed. Picking 8th might get someone decent or a non-entity.


Every day his contract is running out and losing value. He can personally improve his play of course, but that doesn't seem likely at least for the rest of the season in this hot mess. If the extension rules change, then the drop in value by the day might be different.
exactly and there is a possibility even though not right now at all, that he decides he wants to move on. This team of vets was the best situation for him before the trades. Now he will go back to being closer to the player he was before coming here. Either that or teams trying to win still will just let him rack up points and not let anyone else score easily.
I think there is a good chance he could carry this team as is though to the point that many of these tank dreamers are back to crying all the time. that Minnesota pick gets worse as well with Mike there and its double jeopardy
 
Sir they are giving A- while you are saying A++

And when someone pointed you to an Andy Larsen article (a very objective reporter) that was slightly critical of the trade you told them to **** off.
not to mention those assholes saying we got a deal are the one's in bed with the Lakers , and other orgs, and are trolling us.
Ainge deserves a C- grade on the deal here unless 2 or more of the following 4 things happen
1 that Jazz are bad enough now they win the lottery
2 despite giving them an upgrade the Wolves are a lottery team
3 both young players we got back are in the NBA on the Jazz and in the rotation here in 3 years
4 the Lakers pick is 5 or 6th overall in 2027
 
Well I'd rather pick 8th than 13th... 8th has a chance to go top 4. If you are going to be a negative fatalist every path leads to death so do whatever the **** you want because none of it matters.
Where did you get 13th?

And I'm being a realist. Rather than ending up with the 6th seed, 7/8 is what happens most often. With 7/8 seed you end up with with the 8/9 pick most often. With the 8/9 pick you're rarely getting an All-Star.

Being a negative fatalist would be saying that the Jazz end up with the 10th pick from the 6th seed and that player will never contribute anything. And I obviously think that's what's likely to happen. Someone like Dyson Daniels or Obi Toppin with the pick would be a nice addition to pretty much any team. Not franchise-changing though.

Saying, at every turn, that the 8th has a chance to go top 4 is hopelessly optimistic.

Really not how it works. As long as you move someone before the final year of the contract you will normally get tremendous value. The cost is waiting until next year is minimal and if you landed some additional players that helped you win now you'd be wishing you had waited.
Any evidence for this?

Also... if the rest of the season is a "hot mess" how are we not falling to 6/7 when most of the teams directly behind us are actually trending up...
Because the Jazz have to undertake all the teams that are catchable. The Pacers are definitely not trending up, quite the opposite. Maybe Porzingis turns his ankle, maybe Dame breaks his wrist. Undertaking 1-2 teams can be pretty simple. Undertaking half a dozen teams means everything has to go right (wrong?) for that to happen.
 
Because the Jazz have to undertake all the teams that are catchable. The Pacers are definitely not trending up, quite the opposite. Maybe Porzingis turns his ankle, maybe Dame breaks his wrist. Undertaking 1-2 teams can be pretty simple. Undertaking half a dozen teams means everything has to go right (wrong?) for that to happen.

Then gotta lose games against other tankers and it gets easier. As for teams around our record we have four games against OKC and two against LAL but Lakers are not tanking though. Then we have once Indiana and Magic and Toronto
 
I'm not very high on any of the 2023 free agents to be honest. I'd rather use our cap space and some of our bevy of picks to trade for players if we can. Ideally we'll be able to trade for another star player to pair with Lauri.
The only way we're adding another star is in the draft or via trade.
 
We're 2 games out of 6th in the lottery and y'all are complaining about tanking and also don't think that we're going to terrible the rest of the way? lol This team is going to be god awful ROS.
 
Where did you get 13th?
Was literally the place we were in before we lost last night
And I'm being a realist. Rather than ending up with the 6th seed, 7/8 is what happens most often. With 7/8 seed you end up with with the 8/9 pick most often. With the 8/9 pick you're rarely getting an All-Star.
Okay we land 7/8 and not 6th...fine.
Saying, at every turn, that the 8th has a chance to go top 4 is hopelessly optimistic.
Saying it has a chance at going top 4 is literally a statement of fact. I did not say it will land top 4.
Any evidence for this?
NBA trade history... do your own research. Also if we want to tank next year the best time to move Lauri is on draft night this year... when we can trade with certainty of the pick we are receiving.
Because the Jazz have to undertake all the teams that are catchable. The Pacers are definitely not trending up, quite the opposite. Maybe Porzingis turns his ankle, maybe Dame breaks his wrist. Undertaking 1-2 teams can be pretty simple. Undertaking half a dozen teams means everything has to go right (wrong?) for that to happen.
You clearly do not pay attention. Pacers just got Halliburton back. Him being out is the reason they were down there in the first place. Yes 1-2 teams may hit a snag... but there are no teams that unloaded as much on court value as we just did... and everyone is within a game or two of each other. #6 is optimistic but not "hopelessly" optimistic. If you land 7 or 8 you have a much better chance at jumping into the top 4 than where we currently sit.

I understand nothing is guaranteed at any draft spot... there is a big value difference between 8 and 13 which allows you to have more options at your disposal in trade or with who you pick. If you think "ho hum draft picks in the 10-14 range are just as good as 6-8" then you can move back and likely get another pick in that range for your trouble.
 
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