Trading up to the 5/6 slot
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Sorry, I meant he's not a C. He's certainly a hustle player, but he's strictly a PF.
akirac73
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Sorry...the phrase "go for the gusto" can never be used in reference to the Utah Jazz.
Millsap is an asset. A first round pick is an asset. Either could be used to justify swapping picks. But the only reason that Sacramento or Golden State would trade a pick to the Jazz is because they're not psyched about the player slated to go #5/6 and the player they like is going to be there at #9. So it's no big deal to swap picks and pick up an extra player or future pick.
If the teams are high on the players available at 5/6, then there's virtually no chance they trade the pick. No one on the Jazz's roster short of D. Will is enough to make a team give up a high lotto pick, unless the team already wants to move out of where they are drafting in order to pick up an extra asset.
Gyp Rosetti
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Golden State likes to run. Can Cousins runs? I say not well enough for the Warriors. If he's there at 6, don't you think Millsap and #9 would be enough for #6 to get Cousins and say their 2nd rounder?
Then again, we'd do all this without knowing if we could re-sign Booze or not. But if we could get Cousins and acquire an early 2nd rounder in the process, and re-sign Booze, **** me...and Golden State would get a very good 4 for their system imo and still have the #9 to get BPA.
Williams-Price-Gaines
Matthews-Korver
AK-Miles-via late 2nd rounder
Boozer-Koufos
Cousins-Okur-Fes-Pittman via early 2nd rounder
Then again, we'd do all this without knowing if we could re-sign Booze or not. But if we could get Cousins and acquire an early 2nd rounder in the process, and re-sign Booze, **** me...and Golden State would get a very good 4 for their system imo and still have the #9 to get BPA.
Williams-Price-Gaines
Matthews-Korver
AK-Miles-via late 2nd rounder
Boozer-Koufos
Cousins-Okur-Fes-Pittman via early 2nd rounder
Darkwing Duck
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I laugh at anyone thinking Boozer will be resigned with Andrei on the roster. Going to be pushing 80 million on the payroll.
"Well, Darkwing, we'll just trade AK at the trade deadline. I mean, teams LOVE trading for expirings, right?"
Only teams that will do that are teams with contracts that are horrible long term. Hello Antawn Jamison.
"Well, Darkwing, we'll just trade AK at the trade deadline. I mean, teams LOVE trading for expirings, right?"
Only teams that will do that are teams with contracts that are horrible long term. Hello Antawn Jamison.
Kyoto
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Wow, that reminds me so much of a typical politician. You say back to him in a interview a quote that made him look bad word for word, and he says 'i really meant to say was... (something in the opposite direction)'. If you were wrong, just admit it, what you said was pretty clear.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
We'd be at about 48.5M if we did the trade I mentioned where Millsap goes out. That's for six guys (Deron, AK, Okur, Price, Miles, and Koufos). Say the following guys then make the following in the first years of their contracts with us...Booze--13M...Cousins--3.1M ...Fes to 2M per...Matthews--4.5M...Korver--4M...Pittman--900K...late 2nd rounder--800K...Gaines--1M...that's 29.3M more which would put us at 77.8M...Yeah, pretty far over a LT that could fall around 65M. Ugh...
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I agree. Boozer leaves, you've traded Millsap and Cousins jackpots around his 1st season. Utah would be back in the lottery and Deron would be demanding a trade.
I'd say no to any scenario that involves giving up Millsap. Of course, if you re-signed Boozer in July, you could then trade Millsap and the rights to the player drafted at #9 for the rights to Cousins.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
I still honestly think KOC's doing everything he can to dump AK, even if it means relinquishing this pick. Why? To re-sign Booze. Why? Deron. Memphis has the room. They want Babbitt at 9. Might they take on AK's contract for one year (especially with Gay leaving) if it means they can get the #9 pick in the draft?
#9 and AK for #25???
I'm not saying I'm crazy about this trade but hell, if it gave us the monetary freedom we really need (so long as we didn't re-sign AK or at least to not more than the MLE), it does sort of make sense. I've been dying for this pick as much as anyone but to dump 17M+ in salary is great. Would the 9th pick really equate into that much value so to speak anyone?
This is my prediction for the draft. #9 and AK to Memphis for #25 and lesser restrictions on their 1st rounder we currently own (top 8-10 protected)...
#9 and AK for #25???
I'm not saying I'm crazy about this trade but hell, if it gave us the monetary freedom we really need (so long as we didn't re-sign AK or at least to not more than the MLE), it does sort of make sense. I've been dying for this pick as much as anyone but to dump 17M+ in salary is great. Would the 9th pick really equate into that much value so to speak anyone?
This is my prediction for the draft. #9 and AK to Memphis for #25 and lesser restrictions on their 1st rounder we currently own (top 8-10 protected)...
I thought it was pretty clear but I guess people didn't understand. Explanation three posts down.
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Gyp Rosetti
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Dude, you're the one who originally said Millsap was a 5 and essentially said he didn't have hustle, confusing everyone.
I personally feel he'd be a good fit in GS. He's in shape and at the 4 can play up tempo. He also has an improved half-court player, plays defense (though he's short) which they sorely need and perhaps most of all, rebounds.
Memphis doesn't have enough cap room to take on $18 million in salary without sending back significant salary as well.
This is the original quote. You can read it and think I'm saying he's not a hustle player (which goes against everything I've been saying, forgetting that it's listed as the former), or you can more correctly think I'm saying he's not a C. Sorry I wasn't clear enough, I figured listing "C" as the latter would make that pretty clear.
So to be clear, again; Millsap is a hustle player. Millsap is not a C.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
I apologize for not doing the proper research first. I forget about Randolph and his salary. Throw in Thabeet maybe instead of the 2nd rounder back to us? They'd be borderline then.
Getting back to the point I thought I had made, GS doesn't want to play 4s unless they bring perimeter skills to the table (whether that's ballhandling/versatility [Randolph], or shooting [Harrington]). Millsap was very streaky with his mid-range shot and even still, GS puts a lot more emphasis on 4s that can reliably shoot and/or have 3-point range. Whether they have those players or not currently, they're not going to be stoked about the notion of trading for one AND losing assets otherwise. Boozer as a GS 5 makes more sense than Millsap as a GS 4. AK is a perfect GS 4.