Chad Feldheimer
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If he were going to be as good as Bynum he would go #1 for sure.
I think Cousins will end up being like Dampier or Kendrick Perkins.
Trading up to the 5/6 slot
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If he were going to be as good as Bynum he would go #1 for sure.
I think Cousins will end up being like Dampier or Kendrick Perkins.
Not very good comparisons IMO. Cousins is already way, way, way more skilled offensively than either of those guys will ever be. I think Al Jefferson is a far better comparison.
NAOS
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I'd happily throw my chips into the center on most scenarios that brought the Jazz up to #5, but only if that nets them COUSINS. I wouldn't throw that many assets at MONROE. Seriously, between Tomic, KK2, Memphis pick, our future 1sts (even unprotected), CJ (but if he is traded you have to bring back Korver) there has got to be a deal that Sacramento would listen to.
Then, you S&T Boozer for Beasley.
DWill, Price, Gaines/Randle
Matthews, CJ, Korver (?)
AK, Beasley
Millsap, Beasley, AK
Cousins, Fes, Memo (hopefully Memo doesn't see more than 18 minutes a night in this scenario).
If you can't get Cousins, then I think you stay at #9 and select either Henry or George, and then bite the bullet for 1 year and sign Boozer. Both of these wings have the potential to be all-star mega-athletic wings that the Jazz cannot get via free agency. In this scenario you pray that Fes and KK2 can deliver quality minutes this year while you try to pry J Priz off of the Blazers or get any other center in a deal that sends Millsap...quality trade bait.
Then, you S&T Boozer for Beasley.
DWill, Price, Gaines/Randle
Matthews, CJ, Korver (?)
AK, Beasley
Millsap, Beasley, AK
Cousins, Fes, Memo (hopefully Memo doesn't see more than 18 minutes a night in this scenario).
If you can't get Cousins, then I think you stay at #9 and select either Henry or George, and then bite the bullet for 1 year and sign Boozer. Both of these wings have the potential to be all-star mega-athletic wings that the Jazz cannot get via free agency. In this scenario you pray that Fes and KK2 can deliver quality minutes this year while you try to pry J Priz off of the Blazers or get any other center in a deal that sends Millsap...quality trade bait.
NAOS
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Or, I suppose they could really go for the gusto and make a run at Cousins + re-sign Boozer
Would anyone throw in Millsap as part of the deal to get #5?
Twin Towers
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I would throw in Millsap in a heart beat if we for sure could get cousins. Millsap has a great contract and i love him. But he won't help us beat the elite teams. I would prefer to trade AK, 9th pick & Grizzlies pick to get the 6th pick from the Warriors if Kings pass on Cousins.
Or we could trade AK, Koufos, 9th pick for the 6th pick & Corey Maggette & Turiaf. Just off the top of my head. But I think trading with the Warriors will be our only option. Kings don't want what we have.
Or we could trade AK, Koufos, 9th pick for the 6th pick & Corey Maggette & Turiaf. Just off the top of my head. But I think trading with the Warriors will be our only option. Kings don't want what we have.
To me, if you really felt that #5 was the Make or Break point, you could trade Millsap, but you'd have to know if Boozer is going to re-sign. So I would say at this stage, we shouldn't. Then we'd have AK, and Doofus being our #4 and whomever else we get in the draft as being a backup 2/4/5. I think that's too big of a risk at this point in the game.
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NAOS
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Millsap wants to be the man at the 4 this year. If you plan to re-sign Boozer then I think you need to know your market for Millsap. Personally, I'm done with Boozer. I'm really hoping we can bring in Beasley, who could be wicked scary playing with DWill (in contrast to black-hole Wade).
You're ridiculous.
Luckily, neither Sacramento nor GS would want Millsap (The Kings already have Landry [and Thompson], GS only plays hustle guys at C and Millsap isn't one of those). Both teams would want the 9 and salary relief, so the package the Jazz would offer starts with AK and 9. Both Sacramento and GS would have interest in AK the player and his expiring before the new CBA is valuable just by itself (while both teams would retain his Bird Rights in case they did want to re-sign him). I really don't think it's that implausible to grab one of those picks, possibly even in a 3-team deal. The Jazz would have to take back something worse than just Garcia from Sac or Turiaf from GS (Maggette's contract, Udrih's contract). I think it's worth it, though.
Kyoto
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You really have to explain how Millsap is not a hustle player.
Name his bankable skills. Something you're going to get every game.
Darkwing Duck
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Hustle?
To get Cousins, the Jazz would have to trade up to #4. Sacramento is pretty high on him.
The Jazz do need to make a call on Millsap. Is he the guy to play big-time PF, or is he a Carl Landry-like back up to comes in and hustles against the 2nd unit?
The Jazz do need to make a call on Millsap. Is he the guy to play big-time PF, or is he a Carl Landry-like back up to comes in and hustles against the 2nd unit?
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Gyp Rosetti
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If we have to ask, that's not a good sign.
Bing. With that comes rebounding (the purest hustle stat). He's also a nice defender that puts his body on the line and can come up with blocks (but you can't count on that, but that's hustle regardless).
His improved jumper evaporated down the stretch, and all of his points outside of that come from others making him a gimme, or sheer will-power (getting hacked under the basket and converting, offensive rebounds/putbacks). His ideal role is 24 MPG off the bench. I don't believe his game holds up to other teams scouting or his body holds up playing 30+ mpg against starters. In fact, when he had that chance, he proved he couldn't sustain it (when playing teams again as the starter, his production disappeared and his body fell apart).
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