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Transgender and sports
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“bUt TrAnS aRe GoNnA rUiN wOmEn’S sPoRtS!”
Why wasn’t a thread created to discuss the inequalities between the facilities, food, swag bags, and covid tests of the NCAA men’s teams vs Women’s? Cuz you know this is about protecting women’s sports and something something MAGA!
Why wasn’t a thread created to discuss the inequalities between the facilities, food, swag bags, and covid tests of the NCAA men’s teams vs Women’s? Cuz you know this is about protecting women’s sports and something something MAGA!
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@Cy and Thriller
You seem to be the most vocally in favor of trans individuals competing, so I ask you, what do you feel the purpose of having separate womens leagues is?
I stated earlier in the thread that my opinion is they are to allow folks assigned female a place to compete athletically.
You seem to be the most vocally in favor of trans individuals competing, so I ask you, what do you feel the purpose of having separate womens leagues is?
I stated earlier in the thread that my opinion is they are to allow folks assigned female a place to compete athletically.
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If there weren't women only leagues there basically wouldn't be any place for women in sports outside of rec leagues and the like because the number of men with superior physical abilities would easily crowd them out, being as there's roughly even numbers of both sexes present here on planet earth.
Trans folk make up a tiny percentage of the total population. Even if we were to grant that they have an overwhelming physical advantage (which is dubious) they simply don't have the numbers to push cis women out of sports the way that men do.
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In addition to what @Zombie just said, there are currently zero I repeat zero trans athletes competing in Utah’a K-12 system. Considering the culture, I don’t think there’s going to be a rush of trans athletes either. What person would want to ostracize themselves like that? They know the culture.
Most/probably all trans people I know personally, don’t want to bring increased attention to themselves.
with all these factors considered, I don’t think women in Utah are at risk of being displaced in women’s sports.
Most/probably all trans people I know personally, don’t want to bring increased attention to themselves.
with all these factors considered, I don’t think women in Utah are at risk of being displaced in women’s sports.
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There is a common theme amongst issues that crop up regarding transgender people.
With the bathroom bills that were going around a few years ago the underlying concept was that people would use a transgender identity as cover so that they could enter women's rest rooms and somehow, once inside under the cover of their feminine identity, take advantage of young girls.
With the sports issue we see that theme being repainted in an attempt to make it seem more reasonable. But regardless, the concept seems to be that someone will use their feminine identity to insert their self into female competitive sports and scoop up all the trophies.
This can be traced back to the earliest reaction I can remember regarding transgender people. The bold statement is typically something along the lines of "There are only two genders." I think some people fail to realize that simple transgenderism doesn't challenge that concept. It is a concept worth challenging, but that's a subject that really has nothing to do with transgender people. The way I read that sort of statement, and tying it back into the bathroom issue and the sports issue is like this: People think that transgender identity is an attempt by a dishonest person to trick them into believing something that if they fall for it will make them look foolish. These people are just too smart to fall for it!
So at their core, these anti-transgender concepts are based on the idea that transgender people are lying about their gender. It is also almost always taking a transgender person's identity and the challenges surrounding that away from them and making it about someone else. The poor helpless girls who stand to be abused in the bathroom, or the hard working girls who will have all of their victories taken away from them by the athlete "pretending" to be female so that they can win all the competitions.
With the bathroom bills that were going around a few years ago the underlying concept was that people would use a transgender identity as cover so that they could enter women's rest rooms and somehow, once inside under the cover of their feminine identity, take advantage of young girls.
With the sports issue we see that theme being repainted in an attempt to make it seem more reasonable. But regardless, the concept seems to be that someone will use their feminine identity to insert their self into female competitive sports and scoop up all the trophies.
This can be traced back to the earliest reaction I can remember regarding transgender people. The bold statement is typically something along the lines of "There are only two genders." I think some people fail to realize that simple transgenderism doesn't challenge that concept. It is a concept worth challenging, but that's a subject that really has nothing to do with transgender people. The way I read that sort of statement, and tying it back into the bathroom issue and the sports issue is like this: People think that transgender identity is an attempt by a dishonest person to trick them into believing something that if they fall for it will make them look foolish. These people are just too smart to fall for it!
So at their core, these anti-transgender concepts are based on the idea that transgender people are lying about their gender. It is also almost always taking a transgender person's identity and the challenges surrounding that away from them and making it about someone else. The poor helpless girls who stand to be abused in the bathroom, or the hard working girls who will have all of their victories taken away from them by the athlete "pretending" to be female so that they can win all the competitions.
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So does this mean that fighting for inclusion in women's sports is kind of pointless?
Do trans females even want to play women's sports?
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The greater issue (elephant in the room) are the glaring inequalities between men’s and women’s sports. But for some odd reason, these “advocates” for women’s sports don’t seem to give a **** about those inequalities and only “care” about women’s sports when it involves trans athletes. Weird, right?
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Very good questions that I don’t know the answers to. But I do know that these bans on trans athletes are just the latest attack on the LGBT community and not “protecting women’s sports.” Just look at the difference in facilities and food between men’s and women’s NCAA basketball.
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I don't think that transgender women would be disingenuous and just make the switch to scoop up so the trophies.
I simply had a concern that they would identify as women and make the change, which I have no problem with, and then dominate women's sports and make it harder for cis females to compete and participate in women's sports.
Thanks to many posts in this thread I have learned a lot and don't see that it would currently be a problem if inclusion was allowed so Im supportive of inclusion right now. If 20 years from now the majority of women's sports were dominated by transgender women then I think that would suck for cis women and maybe the situation would need to be re-evaluated?
I would say that's my new and current stance on the issue.
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Well this can be addressed by the potential answers to my question as to what the purpose is in having sports in our schools?
Is the answer so that some students can experience what it's like to beat someone else in a competition? If that's the answer than I can understand why this controversy exists. I never thought that was the point of having kids participate in sports, though.
I believed that sports existed to teach things like hard word, discipline, teamwork and sportsmanship. If that is true then it doesn't really matter if the trans female wins, does it?