Transgender and sports

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd love to, but if I pointed it out, I'm afraid it upset the pitch fork crowd.

C'mon Archie, you're a big bad independent thinker. You don't care what they think

 

[One Brow]

There’s plenty of discussion needed when we are championing and propping up womens sports and then pretending the biological line is super blurred. Those approaches are very contradictory.

That's why the various leagues should e setting the standards for the athletes that participate. Each needs to draw their own line in the way that works best for them.

 

[Archie Moses]

C'mon Archie, you're a big bad independent thinker. You don't care what they think

Just reread your comment and give it a lil thought. You're not wrong.

People do care more about sports with those who are born male (sex.)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This **** won't get interesting until we are talking about a trans woman's tennis champion who starts breaking Serena's records

 

[Archie Moses]

Did you disclose all the information regarding your .genitals in your dating profile?

We have to live in an alternate reality or you have no idea how dating works.

 

[One Brow]

We have to live in an alternate reality or you have no idea how dating works.

I already knew the answer was no, and I remember how dating works.

Have you at all, for a moment, put yourself in the position of the woman on that date? What do you think you would have done differently in her shoes?

 

[Archie Moses]

I already knew the answer was no, and I remember how dating works.

Have you at all, for a moment, put yourself in the position of the woman on that date? What do you think you would have done differently in her shoes?

I would have disclosed I was trans to make sure my prospective date was on the same page.

Not too much to ask for, pretty simple, understandable and reasonable.

Put yourself in my shoes.

 

[Avery]

Our state legislature is beyond worthless. Expect that they'll try and overrule Cox's veto because they can't stand to be defeated for such red meat for their fans.

 

[One Brow]

I would have disclosed I was trans to make sure my prospective date was on the same page.

Not too much to ask for, pretty simple, understandable and reasonable.

Put yourself in my shoes.

Disclosing you are a trans woman is setting yourself up for humiliation and beatings by people pretending to want to date you. She should have greatly decreased her physical safety so you could feel more comfortable?

However, describe your shoes more. What did she do to wrong you?

 

[oneye]

That's why the various leagues should e setting the standards for the athletes that participate. Each needs to draw their own line in the way that works best for them.

I agree with this, in regards to public schools though I think that's when the conversation gets really complicated.

 

[oneye]

I'm not sure who "yourself" is supposed to be, because I've never tried to claim something is "normal" (a meaningless term in the vast array of human diversity), and I've certainly never said anything other these are issues best decided by governing agencies of the various sports leagues because they are complex and different things matter in different venues. I find the irony of your response to "Denying an over-simplified categorization" with "cut and dry" to be especially telling regarding your inability to comprehend here.


Again, you responded to "is not denying that differences exist" with "differences don't exist". Are you capable at all of responding to what the words in front of you say? It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who doesn't bother to read; you might as talk to babe.

Every person is different from every other person biologically. So, biological differences always exist.


On the contrary, what I am saying is reflective of "normal" (unless you have some weird meaning for this term) and natural biology as represented in vertebrates throughout the order.


Again, I'm not sure who "yourself" is here, since I think a one-dimensional spectrum is too limiting. For example, it does not account for genders that are neither male nor female.


I don't know what "decided" would mean here.

I disagree with @Gameface on the topic of trns women in sports, but neither of us has called the other transphobic. It takes more than disagreement.

I'll start with the last comment, I wasn't referring to you in that comment, it was a general comment and something I've seen plenty of.

As for "normal" maybe "natural" is better? Maybe when you have to heavily medicate something to happen, it's not a natural process? Sure every person is different biologically, but that's not necessarily the argument you're making at times. Saying you have to heavily medicate something to happen is intentionally and unnaturally creating biological anomalies. Some do in fact occur naturally, but much of transgender discussions revolves around purposely and unnaturally creating those anomaly's when they did not exist until medicated to exist in a person.

 

[oneye]

Our state legislature is beyond worthless. Expect that they'll try and overrule Cox's veto because they can't stand to be defeated for such red meat for their fans.

They're not going to try, they already know they have the votes to do it.