Agreed.. he needs to pass more. With Hayward and Hood as offensive players and Gobert & Favors a ferocious dunkers he has all the fire power at his fingertips.
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Agreed.. he needs to pass more. With Hayward and Hood as offensive players and Gobert & Favors a ferocious dunkers he has all the fire power at his fingertips.
FalseFlagg K
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did he post a video of himself flat footed looking back at his opponent who blew past him to the rim for a layup ??
Crawlnstall
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I was really excited when we drafted Burke....then I grew to be frustrated and disappointed in his play. But I will say that I respect his attitude and work ethic. Taking the benching last season with the attitude he had was really admirable. I still think/hope he can turn things around and be an average NBA PG.
Really I just wanna see the Jazz have a decent starting PG, feels like its been ages since we've had that
Really I just wanna see the Jazz have a decent starting PG, feels like its been ages since we've had that
Stifle Tower
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Snyder has a system of ball movement. When Burke gets the pass the movement stops: unless you consider Trey dribbling to be "ball movement."
Burke saw plenty of chances last year as a starter and as a sub to hit open teammates. Watched almost all the games and remember screaming at the TV, "pass the damn ball!." Burke either has tunnel vision or is selfish. While Dante didn't drive nearly enough, Hayward (our best scorer) was much more involved in the offense once Exum became the starter. There was a thread (and no, I'm not going to search and bump it) when several posters on this board wondered why Hayward was often invisible during the 1st quarter. Answer: he rarely touched the ball when Burke started.
Trey (at least last year's version) is the antithesis of what Utah needs from their PG.
Snyder has mainly a pnr system. You don't know what you're talking about.
Hayward's post-All Star numbers were down. Again, you are making drama up.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01/splits/2015/
Stifle Tower
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P&R from various points on the floor. Not just the top and not just initiated by the PG. That's what I meant by ball movement. The primary play makers are Hayward or Burks (or Hood). The offense isn't designed for Burke to take the ball and keep dribbling until he decides to shoot or drive. And that's generally what happens. Trey is freakin' Carlos Arroyo without the flash.
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You don't like Snyder?
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Stifle Tower
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Franklin is a Corbin supporter (relative?) and hates me.
That offense is not designed to get wide open shots that any "pass first" point guard can simply flip the ball out to. You claim that Trey is a disaster and then point to Hayward's diminishing statistics WITHOUT the help of Trey Burke as your proof? How laughable.
There is a reason Utah's offense is almost last in the league and it's not Trey. He's just the fall guy for the haters to chew on.
It's sad that there league leading defense couldn't lead to a more efficient offense.
I like Snyder. He does not have much in the way of an offensive system. Simple enough. I hope he improves it tremendously this season.
Jamezz
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I see your point, I rather have a defensive minded coach with potential to improve offensively than the other way around though. It's a better start imo.
It's not necessarily a fair point. You cannot build an offense when your only weapon is Hayward and you have to account for Favors and Gobert's weaknesses. Blaming the problem on Trey, however, is lunacy. If the system were better Trey would be better. He's a support player being asked to do more than he is capable of.
Jamezz
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This has to be tough for a coach, Favors could have more plays run for him now, and I have a good feeling about Hood becoming a legitimate scoring threat in the near future.
Stifle Tower
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Can't infer correlation. You'd have to look at touches with Trey at PG and without. Just moving him to backup doesn't mean he always played with Hayward before the break and never was on the court at the same time post-break. There are a lot of factors you'd also have to throw in the mix for Hayward's numbers dropping a bit as well, including injury and fatigue.
In terms of Burke, I think the real indictment remains that he was second in FG attempts per game at 13.2 (Hayward at 14,3) and of the players who averaged more than 10 mins/per (12 players), only Exum and Millsap had worse FG%'s.
I wanted Favors to have more plays ran through him last season. I though he was capable of carrying a bigger load. He most certainly will this season. However, Favors iso is not the most efficient play at all even though his overall ts% is nothing short of solid.
And yeah it is tough on coaches but the business is what it is. Corbin's offensive decisions with AJ, although statistically he rung the best out of what he had, were the beginning of his demise with the fanbase.
Stifle Tower
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Fair enough. We'll see if his numbers improve significantly. But I wouldn't necessarily say the Jazz had only one weapon. Before Burks got hurt, he was having a good season shooting-wise. And Kanter was certainly a weapon offensively. So one would have expected Trey's numbers through November to be much better: he was playing with the starters and had Hayward, Burks, Kanter and Favors to pass to. He wasn't - except by his own design - the 1st, 2nd or even 3rd option. He was that supporting player you speak of. And how did he do? He shot 36%/30%.
da ThRONe
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Yeah in a shot with him and Chris Paul he looks clearly bigger than CP3.
Which shot's that?
Joe Bagadonuts
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So your evidence that the Jazz are angry at Burke for the photos is that Locke has been down on him for yearssss and now that Exum is hurt all is forgiven. Makes perfect sense... at least in your world.