Trey Burke's Ankle Protection Plan - Q & A

[BTP]

Do you think that maybe Derrick Rose's injuries are karma for what he did to Deron?

1) I don't believe in Karma. Just in funny coincidences, randomness.
2) I don't think Derrick Rose ruined Deron Williams career if he indeed had only a (maybe severe) ankle sprain after landing on it. He can be lucky he had the close out on his shot from Rose instead of Battier. That one would have hurt way more.
3) As I said he didn't play worse afterwards only different. Maybe it's also because of the Nets surrounding pieces like Brook Lowpostpez that he takes different shots.

 

[Hotdog]

1) I don't believe in Karma. Just in funny coincidences, randomness.
2) I don't think Derrick Rose ruined Deron Williams career if he indeed had only a (maybe severe) ankle sprain after landing on it. He can be lucky he had the close out on his shot from Rose instead of Battier. That one would have hurt way more.
3) As I said he didn't play worse afterwards only different. Maybe it's also because of the Nets surrounding pieces like Brook Lowpostpez that he takes different shots.

Go look at the actual timeline and the stats. Yes he did play worse. He wasn't as good a shooter. This has nothing to do with his time in Brooklyn.

It wouldn't have mattered if it were Rose's foot or Battier's. It was still a foot. And it was still bad sprain.

 

[sahlensguy]

DWill played with one foot and ankle out the door for sure.

Loved Trey's comment after the game about how Pop's looked like he thought they were going to win, yet he (Trey) never checked out.

 

[candrew]

Burke's lower body jump shooting mechanics are impressive - feet squared, spread evenly, straight up/straight down every time - even on pull up jumpers. Upper body mechanics can use some work - it seems like he's pushing/flinging the ball sometimes. Which is why you see a lot of makes followed by a lot of misses from him. But that's normal when you have a young player getting used to NBA 3-point range.

Excellent foundation - I'm sure he'll get much better

 

[BTP]

Go look at the actual timeline and the stats. Yes he did play worse. He wasn't as good a shooter. This has nothing to do with his time in Brooklyn.

It wouldn't have mattered if it were Rose's foot or Battier's. It was still a foot. And it was still bad sprain.

No his stats say he didn't decline. In his 4 good years in Utah he had TS% between 57.4 and 59.5%. After he was traded he basically played 1v5 and had 2 bad shooting seasons. Then last year when he was finally healthy again he had his best individual season by numbers and a TS% of 57.4 and this year he's having 58.5 %. He simply plays more perimeter than lane for whatever reason.

 

[DutchJazzer]

and just as you post this watch burks get an ankle sprain and be out for 2 weeks

 

[Hotdog]

No his stats say he didn't decline. In his 4 good years in Utah he had TS% between 57.4 and 59.5%. After he was traded he basically played 1v5 and had 2 bad shooting seasons. Then last year when he was finally healthy again he had his best individual season by numbers and a TS% of 57.4 and this year he's having 58.5 %. He simply plays more perimeter than lane for whatever reason.

Nice try...

Deron before the injury.
07-08 FG% .507 - 3P% .395

Deron after the injury
08-09 FG% .471 - 3P% .310
09-10 FG% .469 - 3P% .371


I dont need the stats to tell me anything. I know what I saw.

 

[BTP]

Nice try...

Deron before the injury.
07-08 FG% .507 - 3P% .395

Deron after the injury
08-09 FG% .471 - 3P% .310
09-10 FG% .469 - 3P% .371


I dont need the stats to tell me anything. I know what I saw.

So first of all. I thought better of you than posting FG%. Haven't I taught tards like you that you use eFG% when you talk about shooting? #disappointed

So you're really discrediting your credentials right here. I also added that he lost efficiency immediately after the trade because he was playing 1v5 on the Nets. In Utah he had a lot of guys next to him that didn't allow opponents to double him. After the trade everything focused on him defensively.

Now I look at his best years;
And I do it the right, educated way:

D-Will TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORtg WS/48
07/08: .595 .544 .368 .188 118 .177
08/09: .573 .506 .390 .230 116 .160
09/10: .574 .515 .397 .246 116 .177
10/11: .587 .513 .439 .320 116 .159 <-at Utah
10/11: .463 .396 .343 .349 103 .066 <-Nets
11/12: .527 .467 .317 .356 106 .099
12/13: .574 .516 .328 .398 118 .184
13/14: .585 .544 .295 .326 111 .110 (injured again)

So how is the 12/13 year where he played 78 regular season games worse than his best days in Utah? Right, it isn't. That's when he had a comparable supporting cast to his Jazz days and didn't get penta teamed on offense while unhappy about being in New Jersey and wanting his way out like Dwight.
Thing is Deron was never a franchise player. He was good when surrounded by talent and that made him look better. He's a sidekick that's it. And injury or not he's still just as good as in Utah. He simply shoots more from deep.

 

[Hotdog]

So first of all. I thought better of you than posting FG%. Haven't I taught tards like you that you use eFG% when you talk about shooting? #disappointed

So you're really discrediting your credentials right here. I also added that he lost efficiency immediately after the trade because he was playing 1v5 on the Nets. In Utah he had a lot of guys next to him that didn't allow opponents to double him. After the trade everything focused on him defensively.

Now I look at his best years;
And I do it the right, educated way:

D-Will TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORtg WS/48
07/08: .595 .544 .368 .188 118 .177
08/09: .573 .506 .390 .230 116 .160
09/10: .574 .515 .397 .246 116 .177
10/11: .587 .513 .439 .320 116 .159 <-at Utah
10/11: .463 .396 .343 .349 103 .066 <-Nets
11/12: .527 .467 .317 .356 106 .099
12/13: .574 .516 .328 .398 118 .184
13/14: .585 .544 .295 .326 111 .110 (injured again)

So how is the 12/13 year where he played 78 regular season games worse than his best days in Utah? Right, it isn't. That's when he had a comparable supporting cast to his Jazz days and didn't get penta teamed on offense while unhappy about being in New Jersey and wanting his way out like Dwight.
Thing is Deron was never a franchise player. He was good when surrounded by talent and that made him look better. He's a sidekick that's it. And injury or not he's still just as good as in Utah. He simply shoots more from deep.

TS% is so important because of why...?

FG% > TS% tbh

TS is just useless bullcrap stat that means nothing and is deceiving. You just proved that for me.

Like I said, I saw it with my own eyes. Ive watched every Jazz game since I can remember. I dont need your ridiculous mathematical formal to tell me what I am seeing. Game recognize game..

 

[Hotdog]

So first of all. I thought better of you than posting FG%. Haven't I taught tards like you that you use eFG% when you talk about shooting? #disappointed

So you're really discrediting your credentials right here. I also added that he lost efficiency immediately after the trade because he was playing 1v5 on the Nets. In Utah he had a lot of guys next to him that didn't allow opponents to double him. After the trade everything focused on him defensively.

Now I look at his best years;
And I do it the right, educated way:

D-Will TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORtg WS/48
07/08: .595 .544 .368 .188 118 .177
08/09: .573 .506 .390 .230 116 .160
09/10: .574 .515 .397 .246 116 .177
10/11: .587 .513 .439 .320 116 .159 <-at Utah
10/11: .463 .396 .343 .349 103 .066 <-Nets
11/12: .527 .467 .317 .356 106 .099
12/13: .574 .516 .328 .398 118 .184
13/14: .585 .544 .295 .326 111 .110 (injured again)

So how is the 12/13 year where he played 78 regular season games worse than his best days in Utah? Right, it isn't. That's when he had a comparable supporting cast to his Jazz days and didn't get penta teamed on offense while unhappy about being in New Jersey and wanting his way out like Dwight.
Thing is Deron was never a franchise player. He was good when surrounded by talent and that made him look better. He's a sidekick that's it. And injury or not he's still just as good as in Utah. He simply shoots more from deep.

TS% is so important because of why...?

FG% > TS% tbh

TS is just useless bullcrap stat that means nothing and is deceiving. You just proved that for me.

Like I said, I saw it with my own eyes. Ive watched every Jazz game since I can remember. I dont need your ridiculous mathematical formal to tell me what I am seeing. Game recognize game..

 

[Hotdog]

@BTP

besides all that. It caculates free throws into the equation which is NOT a jump shot. Which IS exactly what this thread is about. Shooting free throws just skews the observation.

Why do you think TS% isnt a major tracked stat by the NBA?

Shooting percentages should be divided up like they are. Those are the true percentages. Not some nonsense formula that jumbles it all together and misrepresents what is really going on.

 

[BTP]

@BTP

besides all that. It caculates free throws into the equation which is NOT a jump shot. Which IS exactly what this thread is about. Shooting free throws just skews the observation.

Why do you think TS% isnt a major tracked stat by the NBA?

Shooting percentages should be divided up like they are. Those are the true percentages. Not some nonsense formula that jumbles it all together and misrepresents what is really going on.

Free throws show how much you drive, how you force the defense to stop you by fouling. I also posted the eFG% numbers, which are if you only go for field shooting because of his D-Rose ankle tweak anxiety, the correct numbers to judge how efficiently he transformed his game. He shoots more 3s, and his eFG% stayed consistent. A sideeffect of shooting more 3s is that you get less foul shots usually, which is where the TS% enters the discussion. Just look at Houston. You have 2 volume free throw shooters there. 1 is so bad it really hurts his offense a lot. The other one is going to the stripe so often and converts from there that it is the biggest portion of his offense.
So TS% takes that into account and to measure his scoring(not just shooting) accuracy you have basically to overcome not just the gap between your 2point and 3 point efficiency measured by eFG% but also you have to hit at a higher clip to compensate the lower number of free throws that give your team easy points.
And last year's offensive numbers have matched his best from when he played for Utah. So he stayed efficient. You may be right with the eye test. But it's still a testimony of his skill to change your game and not lose a step in terms of efficiency. This year's numbers look very similar to last year's when you factor in that he hasn't been healthy at all. Maybe his body is completely done with professional basketball on a high level, maybe it's just bad luck and next year he'll be reborn with durable ankles, instead of urging his manager to arrange a deal with a medical company to promote its products by dancing to "These boots are made for walking" in his favorite shoe...