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Trump’s Dividing of America

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Lol the ignorance and downright terribleness of comparing the slaughter of millions of Jews to something as miniscule as border protection and national security. It's bat chit crazy truthfully.

Not the holocaust for sure. But as Americans we need to hold ourselves to a much higher standard than "We are not as bad as the Nazis"

If your 5 year old daughter is stripped from your arms you may think about it differently. No on is saying it is on the same scale. But it does not make it any less heinous individually.
 
If you are truly interested in an answer to this question go ahead and look up any of the Democratic candidates positions on immigration. Julian Castro in particular would be a good place to start.

https://issues.juliancastro.com/people-first-immigration/

Right?

And then he’ll bitch about the D’s solutions too despite the GOP’s solution being: “Don’t come here or else you’ll be placed in a concentration camp and possibly die of neglect.”

That’s the issue here. Republicans don’t want actual solutions. The crazy has taken over the party. The CRUELTY is the point. The rhetoric TODAY from Trump, Tucker, Laura, etc is IDENTICAL to the Eugenists and White Supremacists of the 1900s. Even back then they claimed “that Jews, Italians, and Eastern Europeans weren’t assimilating into the culture, were money pits for the state, committee crime, brought disease, and weren’t patriotic.” They complained about not getting enough immigrants from, “Scandinavian countries.” That’s why quotas were set up in 1921 and 1924.

The cruelty for Trumpers is the point: No more women’s choice, no more athletes taking part in demonstrations, no more speaking out against the leader, no other party is legitimate, no more health care for the poor, no other types of religions are tolerated, no more LGBT, no more Brown skinned people, no more multiculturalism.


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If you don't understand this, then you don't understand the responsibilities of someone in such high position. Sure, we need to hold ourselves to standards, but our behavior doesn't influence hundreds of millions of people. They have great power and with it great responsibilities that average citizens do not.

We are holding POTUS to a very low standard. If someone came to your ward and joked about having sex with his daughter, would you invite him over for dinner? Let him alone with your daughter? Yet millions vote for him.
 
So calling someone brainless and basically stupid is the answer?

You're welcome to any interpretation you'd like. We're a free society. But being unwilling or incapable of getting on the same page to work through issues sure seems like a shortcoming. One brought on by frustration that others see something different.
 
So again, what do we do lawfully with hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants? Just let them go?

You've gotta crawl before you can walk. Help us identify the common, quantifiable, non-negotiable goals. Thusfar, you haven't contributed for ****.

Then let's talk what to do.
 
The detention facilities are very obviously concentration camps. Such camps existed before and after those concentration camps that are most commonly associated with the term, those in Nazi Germany. And not all of Germany's concentration camps were death camps. They called the various types of camps by different names, but all would fit the description offered by the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

"a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard."

Merriam-Webster itself goes on to say "especially" the camps associated with Nazi Germany, but the term is not exclusive to the Nazi death camps.

I believe the description fits our southern border detention centers as well.

Some people reject the use of this term because they 1)mistakenly think such camps have to be death or extermination camps to be called concentration camps, and because they 2) do not want to accept that the United States would actually operate concentration camps. They do not want to associate their country with that term. They call it an overreaction, but it's only because of the automatic and default association with the Nazis that the association creates an immediate rejection by some. Do not associate that term with this country. We are not like the Nazis. Drop the automatic association, and it's just a term denoting the type of place described by Merriam-Webster.

Making believe we cannot call them concentration camps does not change the reality. AOC used the term in order to call attention to them, I'm sure she knew she would get attention for doing so, and her use did call attention to the detention centers, and to AOC herself. Basically, it forces the issue by causing Americans to say "are we really doing this? Is this who we are?" It forces us to look at ourselves. Which is exactly what AOC was aiming for. Just my two cents....

Yep. Good post.

A few Trumpers here equate every concentration camp to Auschwitz Birkenau; ignoring the other 1,200 camps at that time. Or the similar concentration parks used by other countries and empires. From the British against the Boers to Stalin’s camp system.

Again, their ignorance is not more valuable than our knowledge.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/
 
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So nobody can answer my question about what to do with hundreds of thousands of people rushing to our border? Your own words, I'm not asking for lazy links.
 
What shows your ignorance is that you actually support a monster like Trump. Not only does it show ignorance but an absolute lack of ethics or morality.

Being a conservative at one point meant having principles and norms. For me, I am a liberal and appreciate different perspectives as long as they bring the meat.

Being a conservative today means.... what exactly? What does it mean to be a republican? Definitely not free markets or small governments. What does it mean? I bet we’d get quite the range of answers.

Imo, right now it means nothing more than defending trump at all costs.
 
Yep. Good post.

A few Trumpers here equate every concentration camp to Auschwitz Birkenau; ignoring the other 1,200 camps at that time. Or the similar concentration parks used by other countries and empires. From the British against the Boers to Stalin’s camp system.

Again, their ignorance is not more valuable than our knowledge.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/
Every single one was forced. Not one person is forced to leave their homes and be put in camps. Not one...
 
The people in the detention centers have it pretty good?

Okay. I guess we're done here.

It’s amazing! I’m sure it’s so great that Donald’s entire family would love to spend a week in one of them. No toothbrush, drink out the toilet, 3 tacos for 3 meals...
 
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