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Red said:
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The story of how SCOTUS helped hand billionaires the keys to democracy

President-elect Donald Trump has tapped tech billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to chair the so-called "Department of Government Efficiency." In
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Elon Musk's DOGE Is the Department of Project 2025 -- But Worse

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy could inflict even more damage leading Trump's Department of Government Efficiency than Project 2025 ever envisioned.
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Oh noes! A guy who isn't an appointment to any position in the government and doesn't have any government power has named an advisory group a thing that sounds halfway between a government department and an internet meme. That DOGE group, which doesn't have any power to do anything, is going to have an opinion where we should cut $69 billion here and $420 million there?!? What ever will we do?

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Apparently Americans want us to emulate Russia. Good thing Biden did a better job on inflation than Putin did. Good luck convincing the brainwashed of this fact.

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Russia is locking up butter as inflation crisis reaches new heights | CNN Business

Americans have spent the last few years complaining about inflation. But price rises in Russia are eye-watering by comparison – and just one symptom of an economy that is overheating.
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Red said:
www.msnbc.com

The story of how SCOTUS helped hand billionaires the keys to democracy

President-elect Donald Trump has tapped tech billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy to chair the so-called "Department of Government Efficiency." In
www.msnbc.com www.msnbc.com

www.rollingstone.com

Elon Musk's DOGE Is the Department of Project 2025 -- But Worse

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy could inflict even more damage leading Trump's Department of Government Efficiency than Project 2025 ever envisioned.
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
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This is exactly what Aristotle described as the final outcome of an oligarchy. We are fully there with this move.
 
This is true in this forum. The left is not tolerant at all. Even to their own tribe.
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They don't understand what Americans want, all they do is say Hitler and Dictator. They don’t understand why they lost and they don’t understand why Americans are already happy with what Trump is doing:


View: https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1858912242374168730?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


They will continue to shout down on anyone that slightly disagrees with their overlords thoughts, policies, ideas and words. I also see the right now are all peacocking over everything. Not humbled at all. They need to understand what they were elected for and focus on doing it.
 
Bucknutz said:
This is true in this forum. The left is not tolerant at all. Even to their own tribe.
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They don't understand what Americans want, all they do is say Hitler and Dictator. They don’t understand why they lost and they don’t understand why Americans are already happy with what Trump is doing:


View: https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1858912242374168730?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


They will continue to shout down on anyone that slightly disagrees with their overlords thoughts, policies, ideas and words. I also see the right now are all peacocking over everything. Not humbled at all. They need to understand what they were elected for and focus on doing it.
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If you replaced "democrat" with "republican" that would ring just as true. Remember the leader of the republican party didn't just call them heretics, but literal "enemies of the state", which has a far darker and more ominous connotation. Face it, we are in the darkest timeline as far as our politics goes, no matter how you slice it. Our choices have been reduced to "completely ****** and incompetent" and "completely evil and fascist". Not great no matter what. But in the end, just like in the NBA with the 3 point shot, it took them some time to figure it out, but now they have cracked the code and know how to rile up their bases, and none of it has anything to do with governing, it is all fear and hate and intolerance, the othering of america, on both sides. They are all just seeking power and care not one whit about the people they are supposed to be serving. And now the oligarchs are in full control. We will test out Aristotle's views on politics and see how long this can stand. The only measure for me was directly evil vs not directly evil. And in the end, unfortunately, directly evil won out.
 
Bucknutz said:
They don't understand what Americans want, all they do is say Hitler and Dictator. They don’t understand why they lost and they don’t understand why Americans are already happy with what Trump is doing:
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Germans were happy with Hitler for a while too, until he started enacting his final solution. He did many objectively good things. He pulled his country out of deep depression, he provided jobs, he developed the first interstate road system (freeway). The list goes on. But in the end the final ends were absolutely not justified by the means. All we can say now is, we'll see.

But you seem very happy with Trump. I am glad for you that you got your guy! Hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a monster, and he doesn't do all the things he literally said he will do and has already started setting in place by appointing some of the architects of project 2025. We'll see.
 
LogGrad98 said:
If you replaced "democrat" with "republican" that would ring just as true.
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Sorry, you can’t start your statement by telling me the Democratic Party is the party of the Populists and the of the tolerant and think that I will take the rest of your post seriously.
Your tribe on this site will call someone a troll because they don’t like what the other party has to say. Not very tolerant.
Nothing the democrats are for right now is what populists are looking for.

Maybe take a moment look at the big picture, and do some research from sources that don’t say hitler and dictator. If you keep posting Hitler/dictator post, you’re becoming what you hate, a troll. You can’t have an honest conversation when every response is that.
 
Bucknutz said:
Sorry, you can’t start your statement by telling me the Democratic Party is the party of the Populists and the of the tolerant and think that I will take the rest of your post seriously.
Your tribe on this site will call someone a troll because they don’t like what the other party has to say. Not very tolerant.
Nothing the democrats are for right now is what populists are looking for.

Maybe take a moment look at the big picture, and do some research from sources that don’t say hitler and dictator. If you keep posting Hitler/dictator post, you’re becoming what you hate, a troll. You can’t have an honest conversation when every response is that.
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Interesting how you simply completely discount entire arguments based on one word you don't like, but you rail against everyone else for not discussing things "honestly" because of words they don't like. Can you not see that you are exactly what you rail against? I guess not. Most of us are not democrats by any stretch of the imagination. But we are anti-fascist. And if you don't like the word, and don't want to hear it any more, then get your boy to stop spewing the rhetoric of the fascists, as he has been for months now. It fits him point. by. point. You brush it aside without so much as a glance and get mad when others brush aside your discussion points as disingenuous as well. Interesting dichotomy there. I can show you endless examples of the "othering" of everyone that isn't MAGA. Show me one post where someone in power on the non-MAGA side in any way calls someone else a "heretic". It is the right using religious symbology, not everyone else. Note I said "everyone else" because a very good chunk of the non-MAGA folks are not leftists, but they are anti-fascist.

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"We have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within. And the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia, and all those countries, because if you have a smart president, he can handle them."

It's something Trump talks about a lot. He doubled down on his remarks a few days later in a Fox town hall, describing these so-called enemies as "Marxists, communists, and fascists."
Prominent Democrats like former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Adam Schiff fall into this categorization as well.

Trump told Fox News earlier that if these "enemies" disrupt Election Day, the military should step in.

"I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can't let that happen,"
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View: https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/1211597189/a-look-into-trumps-recent-rhetoric-focusing-on-revenge-and-threats


Care to engage in reality and not platitudes? Care to show us, using actual facts and analysis, how Trump's standpoint does not reflect fascism? Instead of getting mad at people using the word, maybe use actual facts to fully refute it, then the discussion has to change, right?

Here is a good article that goes at that question directly, from a couple of historians who do not want to label Trump a fascist. It is a good starting point.


So would you draw a distinction between Trump, who displays elements of fascistic leadership, but not necessarily the movement or the people voting for him?

It’s hard to know. We have to rely on history. There are books that would say that Hitler had willing executioners, that it was a culture that allowed for Hitler’s rise, and that the culture itself and therefore the people themselves are in some sense culpable. Others would say no, he manipulated the people.

This is where it’s hard to parse, because the last thing the Democratic Party wants to do is to tell swing voters that they’re potentially fascist. What they’re trying to say is that the candidate is fascist, therefore don’t vote for him. This is why it’s risky, because it seems to be suggesting that maybe the people themselves who are voting for him are fascist, or if they are even thinking about voting for him, they are knowingly and willingly voting for a monster. And that can be alienating, I think, to voters.

I just want to reiterate, there is a view that if you were a liberal or further left of that, if you don’t call this fascist, you’re somehow complicit, or you’re somehow mitigating the real problem. And I think that’s wrong.

I teach at a liberal arts school, everyone I know is terrified about what’s happening. They do not want Donald Trump to be president of the United States. It’s just how we go about managing to defeat him and the way that we do it, I think that is the issue. And as a historian who’s trained in these areas, there’s also a professional obligation. So I just want to make that point, that by not framing him this way, it does not at all mean that he is not a threat.

Things that are not fascist can also be dangerous.

Yeah, absolutely.
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RFK is right. We have to learn to love our kids more than we hate each other. I can’t believe people would choose to send their kids and grandkids off to die in these wars. I don’t understand why they would want their kids to continue to be used as medical experiments. Have we ever successfully turned a woman into a man or have we just created a lifetime patient that will forever require hormones and surgeries? Why is it so important that we turn kids into patients as soon as possible in this country? Why would people want their kids to continue to eat poison and dangerous chemicals? Why is it such a bad idea to take a close look at the medications we are injecting millions of people with? Can anyone explain that to me?


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