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fishonjazz said:
Saw today that trump is going to try to eliminate taxes on overtime.
This would probably benefit me more than most as I have overtime built into my actual schedule and am an hourly worker who also signs up for overtime rather frequently. Oddly enough, I dont want this to happen. I have never complained about the taxes I pay. I like the government to have lots of money. I like that there is a Department of education, an FAA, an EPA, an FDA, a Forest service, Medicaid, a strong well funded military, border patrol agents, etc, etc, etc. I dont really care that much about the national debt but apparently that seems important to some people and this tax plan would seemingly make the debt of the nation increase.
Also, putting more money in peoples pockets is great. But one problem with that happening is that when most people get more money they spend more money. When more money is being spent then demand for goods and services increases. When demand increases supply typically cant keep up and decreases. When demand increases and supply decreases..........
Taxes aren't the largest amount of money that gets removed from my paycheck. Insurance is. In fact I wish I could pay more in taxes and have the insurance stop being taken from my paycheck.
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Good Post.

I want my government to actually be funded so it can function. There’s a real difference between the library system here in Utah county (which isn’t well funded) and the comprehensive library system in Salt Lake County. SL County has Democrats that have raised taxes to fund an awesome library system while places like Saratoga and Eagle Mtn drag their feet (I don’t think eagle even has a library cuz who needs books). If I live in Sandy I can place a hold on a book in Herriman or West Jordan and have it delivered to my Sandy library in a day. Their facilities are larger, better staffed, and have a far better catalog. Each library supports the entire system, connecting the entire valley. Meanwhile, Utah county’s library system is disconnected. Each community funds its own library. Cuz local control and taxes, and many communities don’t want to pay for stuff. As a result, Orem and Provo have decent libraries but the rest are a joke. And like I mentioned, some communities, like Saratoga and Eagle Mtn don’t even have libraries cuz books and taxes and stuff.

Things like this make a difference. I want our government to provide the security, health care, and regulation our country needs so people can be successful, healthy, and happy. Obviously, government can swing too hard one way. But I live in Utah and in America, so we’re not even close to going too far to the left. People here still think you should just die if you can’t pay for health care. It’s nuts.

I just wished more Americans would have a greater sense of maturity and responsibility. You can’t keep cutting taxes. At some point you need to actually fund stuff. At some point you need to actually pay the bills. Trump is the fun and irresponsible uncle who lets his nephews drive too fast, gives them way too much sugar, and stay up way too late. Yes, it’s fun in the short term but sooner or later you’ll need the responsible parent to crack the whip. At some point, we will need a leader and Congress that will raise taxes. And at some point we will need an electorate that understands that it needs to pay its bills instead of throwing everything onto the credit card.

We can’t keep cutting taxes. We have a revenue problem that is being exacerbated by weekend at Donnie’s leadership.

To be fair, Biden didn’t make increasing taxes a priority. Then again, he didn’t have a filibuster proof majority in the senate and half of his presidency was spent restarting the economy after Covid. So right now, during good economic times, should be the time to pay off our debt so we’re prepared for the economic downturn, pandemic, or war that we’ll need to go into debt for.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Saw today that trump is going to try to eliminate taxes on overtime.
This would probably benefit me more than most as I have overtime built into my actual schedule and am an hourly worker who also signs up for overtime rather frequently. Oddly enough, I dont want this to happen. I have never complained about the taxes I pay. I like the government to have lots of money. I like that there is a Department of education, an FAA, an EPA, an FDA, a Forest service, Medicaid, a strong well funded military, border patrol agents, etc, etc, etc. I dont really care that much about the national debt but apparently that seems important to some people and this tax plan would seemingly make the debt of the nation increase.
Also, putting more money in peoples pockets is great. But one problem with that happening is that when most people get more money they spend more money. When more money is being spent then demand for goods and services increases. When demand increases supply typically cant keep up and decreases. When demand increases and supply decreases..........
Taxes aren't the largest amount of money that gets removed from my paycheck. Insurance is. In fact I wish I could pay more in taxes and have the insurance stop being taken from my paycheck.
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We can't have that because it's socialism and socialism is evil because it redistributes wealth the wrong way. It actually takes it from the top and gives it to the bottom and everyone knows we only want wealth to move the other way. We've spent the last 50 years building our political and economic structure to do just that, and that's the way God intended. Like Jesus said, **** the poor, if they can't figure out how to be rich they don't deserve to eat. I was kind of paraphrasing there.
 
The Thriller said:
If people think Donald is shrinking government, decreasing government spending, and growing the economy with his tariffs, then I have some beachfront property to sell ya.

People realize that he’s been president before, right? He has a past record. It’s still amazing to me how people project magical thinking onto Trump. He can be anything that his cultists fetishize him to be.
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What’s Doge doing?

I find it funny that none of you on the left can give the guy any credit at all. Literally at all!

What did Biden do with this?

View: https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1885485623735124467?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


I’m going to not tax overtime… f that I want to pay more taxes

I’m bringing home hostages… f that they should stay there.

I’m going to shrink spending with doge… f that we want to keep wasteful spending!

Just miserable, tribal people.
 
LogGrad98 said:
We can't have that because it's socialism and socialism is evil because it redistributes wealth the wrong way. It actually takes it from the top and gives it to the bottom and everyone knows we only want wealth to move the other way. We've spent the last 50 years building our political and economic structure to do just that, and that's the way God intended. Like Jesus said, **** the poor, if they can't figure out how to be rich they don't deserve to eat. I was kind of paraphrasing there.
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Did you hear the parable Jesus gave of the rich man?

A rich man asked him what he’d have to do to go to heaven. Jesus asked him if he’d kept the commandments. He admitted that he had. Then Jesus asked him if he’d robbed the poor of their remaining wealth. He confessed that he hadn’t. So Jesus reprimanded him. “You call yourself a job creator?! Go out and rip the poors off. Tell them it’s trickle down economics and that they too will become rich if only they have patience and keep passing tax cuts for the rich. Feed them some culture war issue or lie about immigrants eating pets. Pollute their rivers, distract with cancel culture claims, and just cry fake news when caught in your own corruption. Ignore what I’ve said in the past about loving enemies, being humble, or helping the poor and focus on stuff I’ve never talked about, like gays being icky, when life begins and why trading women in like cheap car leases is fine, how vaccines cause autism, and why every kindergartner needs an AR15.”

And the rich man went out sorely disappointed.
 
For anyone who doesn't know this already, HSA (health saving accounts) are only available to people with certain types of insurance. (High deductable low premium)
I currently have and HSA because I'm quite healthy so I choose the high deductible plan where I pay everything out of pocket if I do go to the doctor. Which sucks because it makes me not go to the doctor when I probably should (I have had plantar fasciitis in my left foot for about 5 months now and haven't seen a doctor for it because it would cost me hundreds of dollars. Also need shoulder surgery but **** that **** I can't live on the short term disability of 60% pay that I would have to do while I miss months of work).

The vast majority of my co workers have a health insurance that is co pay based so they just pay 20 bucks to go the doctor and have really high premiums and are not eligible for an HSA.

And this is really gonna blow some minds. If I put the extra money I get from not getting taxed on overtime and put it into my HSA that won't help fund the military, epa, education, faa, FDA, Forest service, border patrol, Medicaid, help with the national debt etc etc etc.
 
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Who gets to decide what is wasteful spending and what isn't?
Just because musk cuts spending that isn't necessarily a good thing.
What if musk cuts spending for the FAA that leads to more plane crashes and death?
What if he cuts spending on the department of education and it leads to less educated generations?
What if he cuts spending on the FDA and it leads to Americans getting sick or dying from bad food/allergens?
What if he cuts spending to the EPA and it leads to poor quality air, water, soil that causes sickness and death?

Our government has been the envy of other nations for a long long time. We have had an incredible quality of life. I have been to other countries and I'm always happy to be back home. I love America and have always wanted to live here over everywhere else.

But trump thinks he needs to tear everything down and fire everyone and downsize everything and install his very own government and that we will be better off for it?

Agree to disagree.

I didn't think our government was broke. Our voter voting in horrible humans like trump is certainly a problem but the government as a whole has been pretty good to pretty much all of us. We have everything we need and most everything we want. We go on vacations and eat out constantly and go to concerts and gamble out money way etc etc.

Small tweaks is the way to go rather than utter chaos and destruction in the government.

trump got some of you drinking the Kool aid and thinking America sucks like he thinks and that we need to re do everything. That's sad.

I knew better than to look at a post I have on ignore. Such a waste of time. I was doing so well too and never reading the stupid posts. Then I saw someone quoted a post and made a mistake and wasted a bunch of time making points to someone drunk on brainwash Kool aid.

Back to sanity now.
 
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If people think Musk is shrinking government size and cutting wasteful spending, I’ve got some beach front property to sell to you.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Who gets to decide what is wasteful spending and what isn't?
Just because musk cuts spending that isn't necessarily a good thing.
What if musk cuts spending for the FAA that leads to more plane crashes and death?
What if he cuts spending on the department of education and it leads to less educated generations?
What if he cuts spending on the FDA and it leads to Americans getting sick or dying from bad food/allergens?
What if he cuts spending to the EPA and it leads to poor quality air, water, soil that causes sickness and death?

Our government has been the envy of other nations for a long long time. We have had an incredible quality of life. I have been to other countries and I'm always happy to be back home. I love America and have always wanted to live here over everywhere else.

But trump thinks he needs to tear everything down and fire everyone and downsize everything and install his very own government and that we will be better off for it?

Agree to disagree.

I didn't think our government was broke. Our voter voting in horrible humans like trump is certainly a problem but the government as a whole has been pretty good to pretty much all of us. We have everything we need and most everything we want. We go on vacations and eat out constantly and go to concerts and gamble out money way etc etc.

Small tweaks is the way to go rather than utter chaos and destruction in the government.

trump got some of you drinking the Kool aid and thinking America sucks like he thinks and that we need to re do everything. That's sad.

I knew better than to look at a post I have on ignore. Such a waste of time. I was doing so well too and never reading the stupid posts. Then I saw someone quoted a post and made a mistake and wasted a bunch of time making points to someone drunk on brainwash Kool aid.

Back to sanity now.
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This is a really good post. One of the best I’ve read in a long time. I too would rather see a few tweaks done to America. I don’t want to, “blow things up” either.
 
Bucknutz said:
I find it funny that none of you on the left can give the guy any credit at all. Literally at all!
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I am no left by any means. But extreme left like communism or extreme right like fascism is a big no. So little credit to orange Hitler when he keeps creating authoritarian, personality cult based dictatorship is not going to happen. We see bigger picture and it is scary and not looking good.
 
This is insane!

Why are we giving Musk and his goons our information? Has he been elected? What ethical training has he been given to make sure his team doesn’t use or sell our data against our wishes? What recourse do we have if he abuses this position? Do we really think Musk will allow Bondi to prosecute him? We think this is going to end well? This is shrinking the size of government? Really?

Cuz this oddly looks like an unholy marriage between oligarchs and their useful *** clown president to use and abuse information that they never should have had access to. Some consistency from the right sure would be nice. If you wouldn’t allow George soros to have this type of access then you probably shouldn’t let Musk.


View: https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1885796981194539030

www.nytimes.com

Elon Musk’s Team Now Has Access to Treasury’s Payments System

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent gave Mr. Musk’s representatives at the so-called Department of Government Efficiency a powerful tool to monitor and potentially limit government spending.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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What a **** show


Trump forces the military to open damns at multiple reservoirs to get water to LA to fight fires.

“As I’m sure the administration is aware, the rivers into which this water was released do not actually flow into Los Angeles,” Padilla wrote. “Unscheduled water releases require close coordination with local officials and safety personnel, as well as downstream agricultural water users, in order to reduce flood risks to communities and farms. Based on the urgent concerns I have heard from my constituents, as well as recent reporting, it appears that gravely insufficient notification was given, recklessly endangering residents downstream.”

Sen. Adam Schiff (D-California) called the water releases “uncoordinated and unwarranted,” writing on X that it’s “not being directed to LA where the fires are contained. And now, it won’t be available when farmers need it in summer.”


So trump emptied water from reservoirs that people will need later in the year so that it could just be wasted. Probably trying to sabotage california since he didn't get their electoral votes.
 
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