Trump is finally the best at something... Losing money!

[Ron Mexico]

The stock market has a direct impact on what I do, and the growth there has been amazing. The economy and getting in judges that follow the constitution are the two main reasons I voted for Trump and he has accomplished those two tremendously. I don't give a crap about the other stuff he has done in his personal life.

I addressed the other stuff.

The stock market was bad under Obama? Every chart I am looking at shows a constant climb under Obama after the first few months. But it has continued to climb under Trump. I think he has done some good to for the economy. He is definitely pro big business and has given them help. But for the most part the economy has been on the rise for awhile and is continuing to rise. I dont think Obama or Trump should get much credit for a continually growing economy.

Here is a good place to look at the growths of different presidents. The trends seem to show there has been a constant growth since about 2 months after Obama took office until today. Ill give them both a little bit of credit but mostly it is out of their control. The major thing Trump did was a the tax break, which has some effect but not usually in an already growing economy.


The judges are the main reason I would voted against Trump. His personal stuff I do care about but isnt that big of a deal. Although there are more reasons to dislike him than that. As far as judges go I dont support judges with an agenda from either side. I also dont like judges that are more concerned about pushing their moral values on people than making good decisions. I like less government control in my life not more. That is the main problem with republicans now. They are not really all that conservative by core principles. They more just want to force their morals into others lives, which is the opposite of conservative.

 

[Red]

Seriously though, has anyone explained yet, what exactly Russia is getting out of this?

Active measures is achieving one's foreign policy goals without resorting to war in order to achieve them. That's how Russia defines "active measures". Obviously, this includes the use of cyberwar in the present era. Trump has been good for some of those Russian foreign policy goals, such as denigrating NATO, and acting with belligerence toward members of the Western alliance. This position by Trump, alone, has got to be music to Putin's ears. Anything that weakens the NATO alliance is a primary goal of Russia's foreign policy. I'm sure hearing Trump say he believed Putin, over America's intelligence community, must also have led to a few toasts over late night dinners in the Kremlin.

 

[Red]

They only like "facts" that confirm what they want to believe.

For all you young psychology students out there, this is a good example of what we call "projection". Quiz next week....

 

[Deleted member 365]

Active measures is achieving one's foreign policy goals without resorting to war in order to achieve them. That's how Russia defines "active measures". Obviously, this includes the use of cyberwar in the present era. Trump has been good for some of those Russian foreign policy goals, such as denigrating NATO, and acting with belligerence toward members of the Western alliance. This position by Trump, alone, has got to be music to Putin's ears. Anything that weakens the NATO alliance is a primary goal of Russia's foreign policy. I'm sure hearing Trump say he believed Putin, over America's intelligence community, must also have led to a few toasts over late night dinners in the Kremlin.

Getting trump to Kill the nuclear arms treaty last Feb was one of putin’s Best victories.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Facts matter

I’m sure a nonpartisan poster like Heathme has dozens of posts on this website praising obama’s Handling of the economy.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So true. Sorry to trigger you, Trumpers:

 

[Harambe]

Liberals pounce...

No triggers here. The news is trying to make this out as some revelation but he said himself in one of his books that he lost this money and worked to build up again.

The bigger concern is financial entities illegally giving out personal financial statements to a news organization.

Everyone should be pouncing. Some will ask the question "So what?", but what is pretty obvious. Everyone knows what he ran on, white fearmongering. But above all that, and what's gotten him attention in the first place, is his desire to get people to believe he's super rich and super successful. Well... is he really? If you lost $1.17B from 85-94, took numerous tax write offs because of it, don't you feel a bit defrauded by him? Like he lied to everyone about his success?

Now add that to the fact that he'd provide his tax returns, yet is now going to literally unprecedented lengths to hide them.

Now add the fact that the only thing you couldn't joke about during his roast on comedy central was his worth.

Papers illustrating the number losses. Current efforts to hide something. Historic efforts to control what information was available.

I didn't vote for the guy anyway. I don't have a horse in that race. But once you get off the "Conservatives turtle..." bandwagon, don't you feel a little bit lied to, AND kept from the truth?

 

[Hotdog]

How many people here are out of a job?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Everyone should be pouncing. Some will ask the question "So what?", but what is pretty obvious. Everyone knows what he ran on, white fearmongering. But above all that, and what's gotten him attention in the first place, is his desire to get people to believe he's super rich and super successful. Well... is he really? If you lost $1.17B from 85-94, took numerous tax write offs because of it, don't you feel a bit defrauded by him? Like he lied to everyone about his success?

Now add that to the fact that he'd provide his tax returns, yet is now going to literally unprecedented lengths to hide them.

Now add the fact that the only thing you couldn't joke about during his roast on comedy central was his worth.

Papers illustrating the number losses. Current efforts to hide something. Historic efforts to control what information was available.

I didn't vote for the guy anyway. I don't have a horse in that race. But once you get off the "Conservatives turtle..." bandwagon, don't you feel a little bit lied to, AND kept from the truth?

Here’s another thing to add.

It’s well known that American lenders stopped lending him money. So where was he getting his loans from? We’ve learned that over the past decade he’s receiving huge influxes of cash from Russia. His own son admitted that they receive a disproportionate amount of money from Russia. We know that Russian oligarchs have used trump tower as a way to launder their money.

Who attacked our democracy in 2016 again? And for what purposes?

People who ask, “so what” are ignoring the obvious national security threat of having a financially compromised president.

 

[Harambe]

Here’s another thing to add.

It’s well known that American lenders stopped lending him money. So where was he getting his loans from? We’ve learned that over the past decade he’s receiving huge influxes of cash from Russia. His own son admitted that they receive a disproportionate amount of money from Russia. We know that Russian oligarchs have used trump tower as a way to launder their money.

Who attacked our democracy in 2016 again? And for what purposes?

People who ask, “so what” are ignoring the obvious national security threat of having a financially compromised president.

In acknowledging a financially compromised President, they'd also be admitting he's violating the emoluments clause. So they definitely can't do that.

 

[Harambe]

How many people here are out of a job?

Funny enough, I almost exclusively read/post here while at work. You're simply not important enough to respond to on mine.

Speaking of...

 

[Deleted member 365]

In acknowledging a financially compromised President, they'd also be admitting he's violating the emoluments clause. So they definitely can't do that.

Which is funny. Because they also refuse to acknowledge Russian interference. You know, “the hoax.” Because then they’d admit that their boy received help (and that opens a can of worms) and hasn’t done a damn thing to secure our elections. Quite the opposite actually.

So republicans can’t secure our elections, even if they wanted to.

And who suffers? The American people. We have a compromised president, compromised national security, compromised foreign policy, and compromised elections because republicans gave us the ********* candidate on earth. If the party’s vetting system and party’s voters were worth a damn, they would’ve drowned trump’s candidacy early in its own bathwater.