Trump's Address. Thoughts?

[gandalfe]

Yes it does. Capitalism works when businesses aren't choked out and stifled by taxes. Then they can employ people, create more products, innovative, and improve the lives of people.

You tax the hell out of businesseses to pay for the welfare state and you got socialism.

You don't understand the basics of... anything, as far as I can tell. You're like a caricature of a Trump supporter.

You also never responded to my statements refuting your claim, choosing instead to put words in my mouth and then attempt to deflect to an unrelated subject. Just like your messiah taught you.

 

[gandalfe]

Thats just your opinion. I dont think he reflects worst of us. I certainly dont mind that he shows he is human and has flaws. Instead of putting on an act and pretending not to have any flaws.

Over 75% of the claims checked by Politifact are rated as Mostly False, False, or Pants on Fire. He thinks playground-level insults are the height of political discourse. He doesn't read unless his name is on the documents. He never divested himself from his businesses, and installed his children in the White House as official advisers. There have been numerous credible accusations of sexual assault against him.

It's not that he's not perfect, as you claim. It's that he's garbage.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I guess you can quantify what he has spent the most time on - but that's probably golf.

Twitter? We can seen him tweeting all day long.

Or watching tv? He has entire days blocked off for “executive time.” We all know that isn’t code for studying foreign policy but for sitting on his *** watching what all the different news channels are saying about him.

 

[gandalfe]

Twitter? We can seen him tweeting all day long.

Or watching tv? He has entire days blocked off for “executive time.” We all know that isn’t code for studying foreign policy but for sitting on his *** watching what all the different news channels are saying about him.

A) Given the amount of thought that seems to go into his tweets, I would hope he doesn't spend a lot of time on them.

B) No, he only watches one news network, you know that. Well, OK, and whatever you call Alex Jones.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If only we had books that had quotes from sources that could shed some light onto Donald’s work ethic, morality, and knowledge of policy. You know, books that had maybe members of his cabinet spilling the beans. You know? We could call these books “A Higher Call”, or “Fire and Fury.” Maybe if we’re lucky, someone really reputable like Bob Woodward could make a book that would support all of the reporting we’ve seen over the past two years. We could maybe call that book, “Fear.”

If only these authors could produce work that would support the leaks reported by major news agencies. Stuff like how the president “doesn’t read and the PDB is mostly pictures and a paragraph” and that the former Secretary of State called him as a “****ing moron.”

All well. If only

 

[Deleted member 365]

A) Given the amount of thought that seems to go into his tweets, I would hope he doesn't spend a lot of time on them.

B) No, he only watches one news network, you know that. Well, OK, and whatever you call Alex Jones.

He only listens to one news network but it’s been widely reported that he has 3-4 TV sets on all the time. So while Fox News has a disproportionate amount of influence on him, I think he still watches what the others say. If anything, to piss himself off and give himself something to bitch about.

Early in his presidency he rattled off tweets about Joe Scarbough’s wife, Mika. It was right after a segment on Morning Joe where they mocked him.

So I believe he watches them all. He’s a narcissist. He can’t help it. Fox News clearly is the one he enjoys the most and trusts the most in. He interacts the most with it. But I think he watches more hours of tv per day than most people are on their phones. He’s a tv guy

 

[Deleted member 365]

Btw let me be clear

Donald trump called into some ****** Saturday night show on Fox News last night, had a terrible interview, and no one is talking about it.

Isn’t it amazing how quickly this has become normalized? During a government shutdown the president is calling into a news opinion show late Saturday night to bitch about his life. And during this bitch session he (a) doesn’t deny that he’s a Russian stooge and (b) trashes the fbi and then asks for law enforcement to investigate his ex-lawyer’s father in law out of retribution for flipping on him.



This is would’ve dominated the news for weeks if Obama had done this

 

[Hotdog]

You don't understand the basics of... anything, as far as I can tell. You're like a caricature of a Trump supporter.

You also never responded to my statements refuting your claim, choosing instead to put words in my mouth and then attempt to deflect to an unrelated subject. Just like your messiah taught you.

You know what I do know? Life is great in America. My life is good. Capitalism has been good to me. Trickle down economics have been good to me. Im grateful to be where Im at in life. Im not going to sulk and cry and blame others when things don't go my way. When I look back at the times when life was hard and its felt unfair I can now see it for what it truly was.

 

[Gameface]

Yes it does. Capitalism works when businesses aren't choked out and stifled by taxes. Then they can employ people, create more products, innovative, and improve the lives of people.

You tax the hell out of businesseses to pay for the welfare state and you got socialism.

Trickle-down is not a different way of saying capitalism. Trickle-down is the idea that you arrange your tax code to specifically benefit those at the top so that they build a larger economy and the economic benefits of that special treatment trickle down to the rest of us. Within a capitalistic economy it is possible to create a tax code (and other regulations) that is equally beneficial to everyone. The opposite of trickle down is not socialism.

 

[Hotdog]

Trickle-down is not a different way of saying capitalism. Trickle-down is the idea that you arrange your tax code to specifically benefit those at the top so that they build a larger economy and the economic benefits of that special treatment trickle down to the rest of us. Within a capitalistic economy it is possible to create a tax code (and other regulations) that is equally beneficial to everyone. The opposite of trickle down is not socialism.

Yes and no.

Making the business owner pay an outrages amount of taxes is socialism, and is problematic to the success of capitalism.

No, the opposite is not socialism. Or at least depends on what you are talking about. Lowering the taxes on the worker isnt socialism and is helpful. Im all for it. But giving more hand outs to people who aren't that productive or productive at and expecting that kind of trickle up to be helpful is stupid in most cases and is socialism.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yes and no.

Making the business owner pay an outrages amount of taxes is socialism, and is problematic to the success of capitalism.

No, the opposite is not socialism. Or at least depends on what you are talking about. Lowering the taxes on the worker isnt socialism and is helpful. Im all for it. But giving more hand outs to people who aren't that productive or productive at and expecting that kind of trickle up to be helpful is stupid in most cases and is socialism.

But there comes a point where tax rates are no longer outrageous and the exact opposite is the problem. When tax rates are so low that government deficits skyrocket, social infrastructure investment drops, and the government’s ability to mediate an economic downturn is hurt. The low tax rates we’ve seen over the past few decades but especially over the last two years have proven to have few if any economic benefits and many negatives.

I think we’ve passed the point where cutting taxes provides economic benefit. If anything, tax rates need to increase to help mediate income inequality and to jumpstart the economy in certain areas. Namely, green technology. We need significiant investment in green jobs in areas that are economically depressed. I’d love to see rural areas and rust belt areas focused on economically. But instead of jobs In coal and car factories (reverting to a 1950s economy) green tech (think 2050 jobs).

Our nation didn’t become so dominate in the 20th century by refusing to invest in trains, coal, and railroads in the 19th. We could’ve focused on water canals and small farms. Thank god we didn’t.

 

[Hotdog]

But there comes a point where tax rates are no longer outrageous and the exact opposite is the problem. When tax rates are so low that government deficits skyrocket, social infrastructure investment drops, and the government’s ability to mediate an economic downturn is hurt. The low tax rates we’ve seen over the past few decades but especially over the last two years have proven to have few if any economic benefits and many negatives.

I think we’ve passed the point where cutting taxes provides economic benefit. If anything, tax rates need to increase to help mediate income inequality and to jumpstart the economy in certain areas. Namely, green technology. We need significiant investment in green jobs in areas that are economically depressed. I’d love to see rural areas and rust belt areas focused on economically. But instead of jobs In coal and car factories (reverting to a 1950s economy) green tech (think 2050 jobs).

Our nation didn’t become so dominate in the 20th century by refusing to invest in trains, coal, and railroads in the 19th. We could’ve focused on water canals and small farms. Thank god we didn’t.

The problem really lies within corruption of the government. Raising the tax rate on honest businesses isnt the solution. The solution is closing the loopholes and fixing the tax codes.

If there are businesses not paying any taxes, then that isnt right either. Its about finding the middle ground or goldylocks zone. You need taxes, but at the same time you have to be careful not to tax too much. Regardless of how many people are holding their hands out, or wanting extra benefits to life.

Businesses are a good thing. Jobs are a good thing. You dont bite the hand that feeds you.