Trump's Address. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ONE LOVE, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    The wall in places I'm sure can be effective, but its a waste of time, money and resources as it's currently proposed imo.

    The Republican mantra that the Democrats don't want the borders secure is hilarious. They are proposing over a billion dollars in border security.
    The Dems need to admit too that they have been for fencing and the idea of some places having a wall.

    We've gotten to a point where very little can truly get done, and either side can hold the nation at hostage if they dont get what they want.

    Pass a law that the government ALWAYS has to be funded, and it will help.
     
  2. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    but there is a second caravan coming!!!!!
     
  3. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    These Democrats need to stop lying and trying to fool the public with their fake stance on the wall and immigration issues. Its clearly a political ploy. Its a big reason why Trump got elected in the first place. I know lefties love to believe its about racism, but the truth is it was more about being fed up with the same lying nonsense from politicians. These stupid clowns somehow haven't figured out that we now have a lot of access to old statements they have made that show the lies, hypocrisy, and contradictions that they are actually made of. Its really insulting that they continue to try it. They still think they lie and use propaganda to fool the public. Sorry, its not working anymore. Going to have to start telling the truth. Cant just say whatever you want to get elected. I know people want to throw Trump in that camp, but I honestly dont think he falls into it. Ya, he said he would get the wall and make Mexico pay for it. Well, at least he is trying to stick to his word. Its a lot more than you can say for the Democrats at this point.
     
  4. fishonjazz

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    And if that should constitute declaring a national emergency then declare one regardless of the wall getting funded or not.

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  5. Ellipse

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    I'm sorry, but this kind of data doesn't pass my BS meter. How can anyone possibly calculate the convictions per 100,000 for "undocumented immigrants," when we have no way of knowing how many are in the country. They're undocumented! I have seen estimates that the number runs from 8 million to over 30 million. And whatever their actual crime rate is, that isn't my concern -- it's background noise.

    What is my concern is flooding the workplace with more low-wage workers who will need government assistance at some point in their lives.

    What is my concern is the replacement of American culture by those who can't even speak English. My wife had a job at a mid-sized company in one of Ogden's industrial parks. The company's workforce was over 70% Hispanic, with far too many who didn't understand English. My wife was ridiculed for not speaking fluent Spanish. Imagine that, an American, in America, being ridiculed by co-workers for only speaking English.
     
  6. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE #Baby_Talk Staff Member

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    Um, I think we're on the same side of the argument here man.. LOL ..
     
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  7. Ellipse

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    Another statistic that fails to pass the smell test.

    How on earth can we determine the % of drugs coming through any particular point, when: 1) We have no way of knowing the actual amount of drugs coming into the US and 2) we only know the amount intercepted and confiscated by law enforcement.

    (Doesn't it make sense that largest drug intercepts happen at check points that have paved roads and lots of vehicle traffic. Oh, and are manned 24/7 by law enforcement.)
     
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  8. Ellipse

    Ellipse Well-Known Member

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    I should have made it clear I wasn't directing my tirade at you, but at the "experts" who generate bogus statistics to undermine the argument for a secure border.

    And for the record, I don't care if we make every illegal currently in the country a US citizen, just do it after the wall is built.
     
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  9. DasJazz

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    I like the idea. My cousin works in border security and he and many of his co-workers/leadership have said that while a wall or fence or whatever won't stop all things, it definitely slows a lot of illegal activity down and helps them secure larger sections of territory a lot easier.
     
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  10. Gameface

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    Undocumented people can't get government assistance.

    Undocumented people who work under a false social security number PAY TAXES but cannot file a tax return, so they cannot get a refund and will never collect social security based on those earnings.

    I'm gonna tell you a different story. I'm going to tell you a story of a U.S. sailor who was able to go all over the world and speak English and was welcomed and accommodated. In Kuala Lumpur, in Dubai, in Bahrain, Singapore, Hong Kong. In Dubai I went to a large store and I bought a full ounce of saffron, along with some deodorant, shampoo, etc.. When I went to pay I was asked if I wanted to pay in Dirham (the national currency) or another currency. I had Dirham, but I also had U.S. dollars and was expecting to have to exchange them for Dirham at some point, but the cashier, speaking to me in English, was happy to accomodate me and hit the "USD" button on the register and was able to accept my U.S. Currency for payment.

    I was stationed in San Diego, right there on the border with Mexico. Do you think there was a store that could hit a button and accept pesos? If there was I never saw it. And while the Hispanic population was large and Spanish was common, I bet I had an easier time galavanting all over the world expecting to be accommodated in English than a spanish-speaking person had in San Diego.

    I've worked in places with a lot of Spanish speakers in Utah. I was nice to them and asked them to teach me a few words. They were nice to me and taught me a few words. And we worked side-by-side and got along great.

    In my division (CS7) aboard the USS nimitz I worked with one woman who entered the U.S. with her parents illegally when she was elementary school age. I worked with an adult who was from Taiwan who was in the U.S. Navy as a path to citizenship. When I was assigned temporary duty to shipboard security for six months I worked with a black man who one day at lunch "admitted" to me that he was muslim and he asked me not to tell people. I worked with people from the Philippines (many, actually, there are a **** ton of Filipinos in the U.S. Navy. I'm not sure we'd have a Navy without them), several hispanics, many black people, even some weird *** Floridians (another group that is over-represented in the Navy).

    I love and care about the people I worked with directly in the Navy. They served this nation. They were willing to die for you. For you.

    I came out of the Navy learning one thing above all other things. It is the one thing that makes me happy to have served. I learned that this planet is filled with human beings and we all basically want the same things. We are all one people and the borders between us are artificial. That's the biggest thing I took away from my 6 years in the Navy, and I'm thankful I had the chance in my life to see that. I saw that not only with the people I served with, but I saw it when I talked to cabbies, when I talked to bartenders, cashiers, street vendors, hotel clerks, tour guides, restaurant workers.

    One more story. One of the times my ship was docked at Jebel Ali (outside Dubai) and I was assigned to shipboard security, I had to stand watch in what was called "the sandbox" (full disclosure, there are a few dockside areas cordoned off for sailors with that name, but I think this is the primary one). As I was walking my post I ran into one of the local guys near a utility gate (for the trucks that hauled away our feces while we were docked). He was from India. He was a veteran of the Indian military. And little side note, Indians are EVERYWHERE in the Middle East and Asia, they are most of the cab drivers from Hong Kong to Singapore to Dubai. Anyway, this guy told us that he loved Dubai. He loved his job there as a security guard. Said when he was in the Indian Military they went through a round of forced retirements and then later refused to pay retirement benefits, so he left. Found himself in Dubai. Said his life and his pay was good and he liked the city. He talked about the opportunities there. It wasn't the only time I'd heard it. One of my cabbies, who was not a "citizen" of the UAE but who was born there and grew up there talked about his admiration for the Emirate that represented Dubai and how he had a vision and plan to make the place profitable once the oil ran out. He was so proud. It was in those encounters that my impression that the U.S. was this unique place that everyone wanted to be was shattered. It made me realize that we actually needed to be our best if we wanted to demand that sort of pride and admiration. If we wanted to be the destination that people would not only come to for economic opportunity, but that they would also fall in love with and feel pride in being part of.

    So tell your wife to buy babbel for Spanish and to learn a second language, just like the cabbies and cashiers and street food vendors all around the world did so that they could accommodate me and everyone else from the U.S., all our service members who are welcomed and treated well all over the world.
     
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  11. DasJazz

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    Did you know Babbel is the leading language software in Europe? Maybe that's why Europeans speak so many languages!
     
  12. Zombie

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    This kind of xenophobic **** makes me sick. As if Spanish speaking people haven't been part of the fabric of this country for centuries. **** out of here with that soft white nationalist ********.
     
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  13. Ellipse

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    Wrong. I have a very close friend whose son-in-law is an illegal immigrant. Now to his credit, he is working through the years-long process of becoming a US citizen, but he has also received food stamps and free hospitalization in the last year. (BTW, he hates the thought of granting amnesty to illegals who haven't jumped through the hoops that he has.)

    Just so you know, my wife is Hispanic, born and raised in Austin, TX. And I suspect her deceased father was an illegal immigrant, since according to her, he never learned English. But to your point: acclimation is very important for people moving into this country; it is not the responsibility of US citizens to accommodate the language and culture of people moving here without invitation and in defiance of our laws.
     
  14. Gameface

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    How about the millions of Spanish speakers who have come here legally?
     
  15. Gameface

    Gameface All-Jazzfanz First Team! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    And why was I accommodated IN OTHER PEOPLE'S COUNTRIES?
     
  16. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE #Baby_Talk Staff Member

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    Were you migrating to those countries or just visiting?
     
  17. Ellipse

    Ellipse Well-Known Member

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    And your response is typical of hate-filled fascists who can't tolerate people with differing views.
     
  18. Gameface

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    I was an expression of my nation's dominance over them.
     
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  19. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    Cool projection bro.
     
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  20. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    What is American culture? Are we really a finished product? Several European nations, including Spain, held sway over what is "America" today. The Southwest and California preseve their Spanish history. They're are still plenty of original Native Americans speaking their own languages too. And plenty of native ancestry in the families applying for asylum and crossing the border. They've been in this hemisphere thousands of years longer then my European ancestors. There is no one culture that owns America, unless it's just the culture of rampant consumerism.
     
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