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The Thriller said:
you paint with broad brush using your Facebook talking pts.
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They aren't my talking points. You posted an article pointing out how dumb young Americans were and Sardines backed that up by agreeing that young Americans were dumb. All I did was point out that if young Americans are dumb then that is an indictment of America's educators. The laughable response was to claim I look down on dumb people, that it is fine if American educators are failing a generation because dumb people are people too. Those are not mutually exclusive. Agreed that dumb people are people. Now lets talk about your point, and Sardine's point of young Americans coming out of our public education system with an unfortunate ineptness.

Educators and administrators are failing to educate America's youth.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You think it is acceptable for 16 year olds to not know we've been to space or that the Holocaust happened? As for the rest of your misdirection, The Thriller's article specifically said they were "young Americans". It is a giant fail for so many young Americans to not know very basic things. Specifically it is a failure of the education system that we spend billions of dollars funding.
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I have nothing to do with you and Thriller beefing.
 
Sardines said:
I have nothing to do with you and Thriller beefing.
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Don’t get me mixed in with this troll. This moron tries to beef with everyone here. He’s a sad bored person who gets his entertainment from stirring the pot.
 
Society-wide, anti-intellectualism is a problem, and can be seen as a natural result of the trend toward distrusting authority, sources of authority, distrusting sources of “received wisdom” in so many areas, distrust of received wisdom in history, in science, etc. The realm of “alternative facts” and conspiracy theories to explain why “the truth is being hidden” is just a part of the world we live in in 2023. Probably not conducive to critical thinking skills, and I’m not saying our educators are doing the best job imaginable. Just saying that the forces drawing people away from rational thought are probably not the best development in our history.

The late American historian Daniel Boorstin, was of the opinion that America grew as a series of frontier settlements, ever moving westward over the centuries. And the thing about frontiers, intellectuals don’t provide useful skills in that setting, so there was an anti-intellectual bias somewhat built into our growth through time as a nation and society.

Anyway, it’s an interesting subject, in and of itself, maybe no more than now, in an era of alternate facts and fiction-based “realities”.

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As science fiction writer Isaac Asimovwrote in the 1980s:


“The strain of anti-intellectualism has been...nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
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Sardines said:
I have nothing to do with you and Thriller beefing.
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This is a beef between a taxpaying parent and a representative of the total failure that is public education. Below is a chart showing proficiency of 3rd through 8th graders. It is very hard to find a point in the Utah state numbers where even half of students meet basic proficiency. In sixth grade, that number failed to meet even one out of three kids. We have in this forum a representative of that system during that time, who has spent hours and hours during the work day posting on an internet board after spending hours and hours scrolling his social media to find material to post on the internet board. That representative just posted an article along with his own commentary to essentially say "ha ha, young Americans are dumb".

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I haven’t worked in the K-12 system for years. You know this and yet continue to try and bash me and it. It’s already been explained to you some of the issues with those assessments and how they affect the reliability of those scores. You know this and continue to repeat your same talking pts. You don’t try and understand or learn from anyone. You just try and stir the pot

Talking to you is worthless.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
It is a giant fail for so many young Americans to not know very basic things. Specifically it is a failure of the education system that we spend billions of dollars funding.
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Is it your claim that these students were never taught about the Holocaust, or the moon landing? I'm pretty sure if you examined their curricula, you find these topics mentioned. People tend to believe what they want.
 
One Brow said:
I'm pretty sure if you examined their curricula, you find these topics mentioned.
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Two-thirds of Utah's sixth graders failed to meet basic proficiency in math. It isn't because they believe alternate facts but because the kids don't know the answer. It is a systemic failure to educate. Claims of alternate facts and issues with those assessment affecting the reliability of the scores are just excuses. America's youth aren't receiving a level of education anywhere near what they should be receiving given the incredible amount of money being poured into that system from both taxpayers and the students themselves taking on crippling debt. No nation on Earth charges as much per student. They should be better served. It was just galling to have The Thriller laugh at the product of his own work.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
It is a systemic failure to educate.
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The US has 14-15 of the top 20 colleges in the world, and it's university system overall is expensive but top-notch. You don't get a top-notch university system with uneducated students. I think its your evaluation criteria that is failing.
 
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