Trump's golf bill

[str8line]

That’s not what polls showed. Hillary was the favorite to win the popular vote. And she did win the popular vote. Hillary was favored to win. But polls that took into consideration the EC also gave trump a fighting chance.

We still don’t know the full extent of Russian influence on 2016.

But I think it’s safe to say that Trump won’t ever enjoy the turnout he had in 2016 nor will democrat turnout be so depressed.

Trump’s been the best thing that has happened in decades to energize democrats, moderates, and decent people.

Comey turned the election. Great point about energizing decent people.

 

[str8line]

Shouldn’t decency, civil rights, racism, democratic norms, foreign policy, law and order, concern for the environment, ethics and corruption, and respect for the first amendment matter more than the stock market? The economy was humming along just fine for years before he came along. All he did was give out a few executive orders deregulating finance and environmental regulations and give a tax cut that drove up the deficit and gave CEOs stock buybacks. most of his “base” hasn’t benefitted from the stock market or tax cut at all. They’re not seeing any rise in wages. Hell, they’re seeing their health care premiums skyrocket, social security threatened due to deficits, and jobs disappear with further investment in automation. They’re making less in real wages today than before he became pres.

At this point, claiming that Trump’s done some good is like claiming that John Amechi wasn’t a bust signing and that we focus too much on the negative. After all, he kept a lot of benches warm.

GREAT post.

 

[str8line]

**** evangelicals. They’ve lost the moral standing to lecture us about anything. Out vote the hell out of those racist hypocrites.

If American Christianity supports trump, then it’s time for Christianity to die out. And yes, that stands for Mormons too. If Mormonism can no longer stand up to the immorality of the modern King Noah, then it needs to die out, just as it did with the Nephites.

If his immorality didn’t scare Mormons, then his authoritarianism should. Today, trump is attacking Muslims, blacks, and Hispanics. If we don’t stand up for them now who’ll stand up for Mormons when Trump comes after them?

And another great post. You sum things up well.

BTW, so ****ed up that Mormons choose party over decency. I have Mormon friends and I can't even comprehend living that Trump lie when so much of your life is dedicated to Christ.

 

[LogGrad98]

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

Interesting. I thought the other number seemed high. Definitely a far cry from $400 mill but also WTF ? That's messed up.

 

[LogGrad98]

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes despite:

1. Russians hacking the DNC server and releasing embarrassing information at various periods during the campaign. These released emails changed narratives and gave trump vital cover for his campaign.

2. A Russian disinformation blitz on social media that we still are investigating. Cambridge Analytica took advantage of Facebook and its customer’s personal information in ways that aren’t supposed to be possible anymore.

3. The Democratic candidate being one of the most least liked and exciting candidate in recent memory. I can’t remember a candidate so polarizing. Even during the DNC convention it looked like Bernie’s crowd might state a coup. This depressed turnout and increased votes for trump and green parties.

Do people really think he’ll be re-elected? He’s got a 40 percent approval rating right now. He’s electrified the DNC and has increased voter turnout across the nation. In special elections since his inauguration democrats are winning by +18 percent pts from the previous congressional elections. Trump has been a weight around the GOP’s neck, not an asset.

If you’re still with trashy trump after all this, I’m sorry, but you are a trashy person.

Obama posted a 40% approval rating (Gallup polls) multiple times in his presidency. Also, IMO, this article really sums up why Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....ain-trump-won-because-people-were-sick-of?amp

"The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now," Bourdain told Reason

He gave a very good interview on this. I detest trump as much as the next guy, but his message obviously rang true for enough people to win the election.

I think some of the support for him we are still seeing is simply people in denial, maybe willing to turn a blind eye because no one likes to be wrong and have their noses rubbed in it. I think that last part explains some of it too, backlash against the backlash, so to speak.

Some of them, of course, are simply on board, fully indoctrinated. Either dyed in the wool repubs, closet, or open, racists, and, yes, some despicable people.

But I think a bigger part is purely ignorance of the reality of it all. A lot of people only follow any of this stuff at election time then defend their decision mostly blindly.

 

[Rubashov]

Obama posted a 40% approval rating (Gallup polls) multiple times in his presidency. Also, IMO, this article really sums up why Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/312322-anthony-bourdain-trump-won-because-people-were-sick-of?amp



He gave a very good interview on this. I detest trump as much as the next guy, but his message obviously rang true for enough people to win the election.

I think some of the support for him we are still seeing is simply people in denial, maybe willing to turn a blind eye because no one likes to be wrong and have their noses rubbed in it. I think that last part explains some of it too, backlash against the backlash, so to speak.

Some of them, of course, are simply on board, fully indoctrinated. Either dyed in the wool repubs, closet, or open, racists, and, yes, some despicable people.

But I think a bigger part is purely ignorance of the reality of it all. A lot of people only follow any of this stuff at election time then defend their decision mostly blindly.

I think you're wrong dude I'd say some fair part of the the T.Rump vote comes from people who rightly see themselves as excluded from the system, it was ok to poor white people when it was minorities that were excluded from 'the good life' but now that they are also excluded they have run to populist racist scum like T.Rump.

They are not wrong in their conclusions they are being screwed but its not by other poor people, its by corporations and the polity itself. Capitalism has ruined democracy, that is why we have T.Rump, this is why a redneck former pig came within a **** hair of being PM. Corporate power and money is the real enemy, not T.Rump, he's just a shill for their ********.

 

[str8line]

Obama posted a 40% approval rating (Gallup polls) multiple times in his presidency. Also, IMO, this article really sums up why Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/312322-anthony-bourdain-trump-won-because-people-were-sick-of?amp



He gave a very good interview on this. I detest trump as much as the next guy, but his message obviously rang true for enough people to win the election.

I think some of the support for him we are still seeing is simply people in denial, maybe willing to turn a blind eye because no one likes to be wrong and have their noses rubbed in it. I think that last part explains some of it too, backlash against the backlash, so to speak.

Some of them, of course, are simply on board, fully indoctrinated. Either dyed in the wool repubs, closet, or open, racists, and, yes, some despicable people.

But I think a bigger part is purely ignorance of the reality of it all. A lot of people only follow any of this stuff at election time then defend their decision mostly blindly.

"The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now," Bourdain told Reason


Not buying this at all. It's not "on both sides" as Trump put it.

Over the years it has increasingly been the right-wingers(not true conservatives, who are still out there but aren't speaking up) who use the word liberal as an insult. The far right has become like a cult... anything goes as long as it strengthens the zealotry. It's a shame that the good people who consider themselves classical Republicans and those who are centrists aren't stepping up to denounce the new direction of the Republican party. We are currently a three party country(Dems, Repubs and those who won't be characterized by either one) but the centrists have no voice. Most centrists avoid confrontation. They need to speak up for decency.

 

[fishonjazz]

Obama posted a 40% approval rating (Gallup polls) multiple times in his presidency. Also, IMO, this article really sums up why Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/312322-anthony-bourdain-trump-won-because-people-were-sick-of?amp



He gave a very good interview on this. I detest trump as much as the next guy, but his message obviously rang true for enough people to win the election.

I think some of the support for him we are still seeing is simply people in denial, maybe willing to turn a blind eye because no one likes to be wrong and have their noses rubbed in it. I think that last part explains some of it too, backlash against the backlash, so to speak.

Some of them, of course, are simply on board, fully indoctrinated. Either dyed in the wool repubs, closet, or open, racists, and, yes, some despicable people.

But I think a bigger part is purely ignorance of the reality of it all. A lot of people only follow any of this stuff at election time then defend their decision mostly blindly.

I find that funny. So many people voted for trump simply because lots of people were saying bad things about them. Not because they thought trump would be a good president or that they liked him but simply because a bunch of liberals said stuff about them and hurt their feelings. Man, those who voted for trump are even stupider and softer than i originally thought. Bunch a snowflakes apparently.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Obama posted a 40% approval rating (Gallup polls) multiple times in his presidency. Also, IMO, this article really sums up why Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/312322-anthony-bourdain-trump-won-because-people-were-sick-of?amp



He gave a very good interview on this. I detest trump as much as the next guy, but his message obviously rang true for enough people to win the election.

I think some of the support for him we are still seeing is simply people in denial, maybe willing to turn a blind eye because no one likes to be wrong and have their noses rubbed in it. I think that last part explains some of it too, backlash against the backlash, so to speak.

Some of them, of course, are simply on board, fully indoctrinated. Either dyed in the wool repubs, closet, or open, racists, and, yes, some despicable people.

But I think a bigger part is purely ignorance of the reality of it all. A lot of people only follow any of this stuff at election time then defend their decision mostly blindly.

I agree.

Rich coastal elitists who haven’t ever done their own grocery shopping and only seem to enrich themselves should stop insulting the working class.



The difference between how Trump treats regular Americans and how Trumpers think he treats them couldn’t be more different.

 

[Rubashov]

"The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now," Bourdain told Reason


Not buying this at all. It's not "on both sides" as Trump put it.

Over the years it has increasingly been the right-wingers(not true conservatives, who are still out there but aren't speaking up) who use the word liberal as an insult. The far right has become like a cult... anything goes as long as it strengthens the zealotry. It's a shame that the good people who consider themselves classical Republicans and those who are centrists aren't stepping up to denounce the new direction of the Republican party. We are currently a three party country(Dems, Repubs and those who won't be characterized by either one) but the centrists have no voice. Most centrists avoid confrontation. They need to speak up for decency.

I find that funny. So many people voted for trump simply because lots of people were saying bad things about them. Not because they thought trump would be a good president or that they liked him but simply because a bunch of liberals said stuff about them and hurt their feelings. Man, those who voted for trump are even stupider and softer than i originally thought. Bunch a snowflakes apparently.

Well the liberals kind of deserve it, they are a bunch of self serving arsehols and hypocrites, they have been attacked by the right for you know advocating things like a fairer better society, that's more inclusive and so on, instead of defending themselves and the long glorious post war history of social democracy that was fueled by liberal ideas, they cowered and most importantly of all embraced neo-liberal economics. Which has weakened states and empowered corporations who are in turn consuming our democracies and societies. liberals are so ****ing dumb they may as well vote republican. They are the panda that won't **** to ensure the survival of their species.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It’s absurd to think that republicans support trump merely to “stick it to the libs.” That’s not supported by evidence. After 2008, we saw a huge backlash against minorities, unprecedented obstruction by republicans in Congress, and voter suppression.

Clearly, trump tapped into racial resentment that was torn anew when a black man dared to win their White House.

This isn’t a policy issue, conservative vs liberal. If it were, wed see a hell of a lot more republicans upset over trump busting deficits, growing government, and impeding the free market.

It’s a cultural issue. And it’s very much a cultural issue between old white bigots and those “on the other side.” fortunately, the old white bigots are a shrinking demographic. They’re the minorities. Unfortunately, they’re the ones with the cash, connections, and power right now.

 

[Rubashov]

It’s absurd to think that republicans support trump merely to “stick it to the libs.” That’s not supported by evidence. After 2008, we saw a huge backlash against minorities, unprecedented obstruction by republicans in Congress, and voter suppression.

Clearly, trump tapped into racial resentment that was torn anew when a black man dared to win their White House.

This isn’t a policy issue, conservative vs liberal. If it were, wed see a hell of a lot more republicans upset over trump busting deficits, growing government, and impeding the free market.

It’s a cultural issue. And it’s very much a cultural issue between old white bigots and those “on the other side.” fortunately, the old white bigots are a shrinking demographic. They’re the minorities. Unfortunately, they’re the ones with the cash, connections, and power right now.

They also raise white young bigots, who will have the cash, connections and power in the future.