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addictionary said:
Who the **** is Iraq to tell us not to do it? Who the **** is anybody.

Since 1984 that the organization emerged, according to the Ministry of Defense; 4.828 civilians, 7.946 security forces and about 28.000 militias have been killed in the conflict. Many of the PKK members have always been Turkish citizen so it has took around fourty thousand lives from this society and keep doing it. This whole Syria situation must not be considered free of this thing that is much more than a pain in the ***.
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Nobody apparently. Vowing to seek diplomatic action translates into asking the USA to stop you, which we obviously are not.
 
I know PKK is shown on the news as a freedom guerilla organization with representing the liberty rights of Kurds in Turkey, Iran and Iraq; but the organization has deformed into a subcontractor hitman alike structure that aids the needs of other secret services and states in the opposition of the country -generally Turkey- it attacks. They are known taking lives of the people who are known as Kurds that do not aid them on their cause. In 90's they were blamed for massacres over villages that did not aid them, ironically, the same events' guilt has passed onto Turkish special forces and military that were active in those years, and know they have been sued and put into jail with no solid evidence alongside fake evidences. All those changes happen since AKP came to power so we can call the process a clear counter-revolution against anything that the Republic found in 1923 represents. Lately, PKK's actions grow more questionable for the outsiders that considered them as rebels seeking liberty: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/t...urkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31988&NewsCatID=338

As I said before, many PKK members are also Turkish citizens. Sons and daughters of this society. The police chief of Diyarbakır -the city that the school attacks took place in- told the PM Erdoğan that if he does not cry also to the ones that turn PKK member and die in the conflict, he is not human. After school attacks, he said the things you can also read in the news article.

Why have I told you these things. To make you aware of the situation Turkey has been in since late 80's. So that you can get a grasp of what goes on in here. This is only a glimpse of background of the crisis with Syria. Syria thing has the biggest reason in Erdoğan's warhead actions and the desire to become a Sunni Islamic leader among Middle Eastern lands. He does not know a thing or two about war. He jumped his position right from Mayor of İstanbul after having a startup meeting with Walker Bush in the States. Then he formed AKP then he has won his first election. Pawn work folks. All of this is pawn work.

I wrote those things, but there are always other points of views to them. I just wanted to state the part that you do not come across in USA. Even when writing, they don't feel fluent and holistic but feel free to ask.
 
addictionary said:
I wrote those things, but there are always other points of views to them. I just wanted to state the part that you do not come across in USA. Even when writing, they don't feel fluent and holistic but feel free to ask.
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I don't have any follow-up questions (what you wrote was more clear and intelligible than what comes from some native speakders of English in here). I do want to thank you for the background, and will happily read more when you choose to share it.
 
One Brow said:
I don't have any follow-up questions (what you wrote was more clear and intelligible than what comes from some native speakers of English in here). I do want to thank you for the background, and will happily read more when you choose to share it.
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Well thank you for the warm feedback. There is one thing I forgot to mention actually. The possible reason PKK attacked the schools is to recruit kids by kidnapping and threaten the ones that choose to go to school -if the kids can choose anything in South East Anatolia without their parents pressure- and refuse spending and wasting life as a militia or violating the urban life. Turkish government has been trying to govern those lands but since PKK, teachers, doctors, engineers and such has been kidnapped and murdered to threaten the ones that would even think of coming, aiding the society there and gaining them on the government's side. PKK is not only propaganda to their own folk, they threaten the most with their lives. There have been many struggles including high number of killings between the tribes (asheerats) of those lands, between the ones that support the state and stand against the seperation notion and the obvious. So school incursions are no surprise, but an evidence that PKK has reached another limit in violating the urban life of their own folks that they supposed to fight for the rights of.
 
DID YOU KNOW; that Syrians are #1 in the widest country soil that belongs to a foreign private landholder in Turkey, who are followed by the English?
 
addictionary said:
DID YOU KNOW; that Syrians are #1 in the widest country soil that belongs to a foreign private landholder in Turkey, who are followed by the English?
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Want to make sure I get this right. The biggest landowner in Syria is Turkey and the 2nd is England?
 
addictionary said:
I'm sure there were Russian spies in it. Where aren't?
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I doubt they were "spies" but I am sure they were aware of that the equipment was there. It looks, at least on the surface, as if Russia is providing some form of assistance to Syria.
 
Who gives a damn?

If they want to fight each other, let them!

Why should we be involved?

If Monta Ellis wants to fight Delonte West, why would Millsap have to intervene?

I don't get it. Why must the US intervene at everyone's runny nose and cough?
 
Stoked said:
I doubt they were "spies" but I am sure they were aware of that the equipment was there. It looks, at least on the surface, as if Russia is providing some form of assistance to Syria.
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M'ma Stoked since Iraq the place has been boiling with spies as the main ingredient, or rather the cook! =)
 
This stuff about Erdogan wanting to join the Sunni Muslem Brotherhood Alliance is troubling. Maybe Russia supporting Syria will end up a blessing in disguise. What are your thoughts on Erdogan, addict?

addictionary said:
I'm sure there were Russian spies in it. Where aren't?
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We just arrested 11 invovled with a Russian-American tech company, but the news was overshadowed here by the first pres. debate.
 
franklin said:
This stuff about Erdogan wanting to join the Sunni Muslem Brotherhood Alliance is troubling. Maybe Russia supporting Syria will end up a blessing in disguise. What are your thoughts on Erdogan, addict?



We just arrested 11 invovled with a Russian-American tech company, but the news was overshadowed here by the first pres. debate.
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He's the Trojan Horse put behind the walls of Turkey to upside-down anything that represents the Revolution. His cause's -that is if he's intelligent and moral enough to have an actual cause- benefactor is Fethullah Gülen who lives in Pennsylvania and who has one of the most numbered and organized religious communities in Turkey, a community that also reached hands from Russia to the other end of the world. They're demolishing the society by creating separations, by scratching deep wounds.
 
I guess I have to fill in for Mr. Marriage.


Is anyone else starting to think Obama's cover up of the Benghazi has a lot to do with Syria, especially Russia on the other side and Iranian issues?

Nothing makes sense in this entire event. Why did this administration refuse multiple requests for help? What role did Ambassador Stevens play in smuggling guns to Syrian opposition forces? CIA involvement. Bungling that prepared in advance diversion about an old youtube video. Putin's hard line on Syria.

I'm starting to wonder if Obama is more worried about Russia, China and Iran than he's leading on, & is trying to draw attention away from this in the interests of national security. Mitt Romney could have been pulled in on it too, which would explain why he didn't comment on Benghazi at all during the final debate. Obama has been drawing a much harder line on Iran both in his campaign and in practice with tightened sanctions that seem to actually be pretty damn effective.
 
franklin said:
I guess I have to fill in for Mr. Marriage.


Is anyone else starting to think Obama's cover up of the Benghazi has a lot to do with Syria, especially Russia on the other side and Iranian issues?

Nothing makes sense in this entire event. Why did this administration refuse multiple requests for help? What role did Ambassador Stevens play in smuggling guns to Syrian opposition forces? CIA involvement. Bungling that prepared in advance diversion about an old youtube video. Putin's hard line on Syria.

I'm starting to wonder if Obama is more worried about Russia, China and Iran than he's leading on, & is trying to draw attention away from this in the interests of national security. Mitt Romney could have been pulled in on it too, which would explain why he didn't comment on Benghazi at all during the final debate. Obama has been drawing a much harder line on Iran both in his campaign and in practice with tightened sanctions that seem to actually be pretty damn effective.
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Well I kind of let it die the way all threads do eventually. I think it is possible about the Iran and Russia links.

Just read an article where Russia blast the US over US weapons (including anti aircraft missles) being in the rebels hands.

Also go read up on how the violence is spilling into Lebanon and that US forces are on the ground there.
 
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