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Tweets from Camp, Thursday Dec 15

PKM said:
I really like your John Maynard Keynes quote. Amazing how many people think it's wrong to ever change their position on a topic .. even as facts change.
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Well, technically, the facts don't change, but rather our understanding of the facts.

The capacity for critical self-reflection is not a human character trait that one finds in abundance.
 
billyshelby said:
Utilizing the guards in more pick and roll sounds wonderful. It also affirms my faith in Ty. We have a very unusual number of wings who can drive and pass. Taking advantage of that is crucial. I'm really looking forward to seeing out offense.
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What a novel idea...adapting the offense to fit the strengths of the players. Definitely looking like the Jazz will be a Detroit-type team: no superstars, but five guys on the floor who can hurt you at any time. It's going to be a fun team to watch.
 
NCJazz said:
You dont think Favors can play center? How many 7 foot + dominant centers are in the league? Not many. Favors and Kanter will be fine as the future 4/5 guys. If we just need a 7 footer to play defense against the few other big dominant guys there is always Fes. :)
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The Jazz blew their chances to develop Fes (by providing minutes which, as has been stated in other threads, is essential for player development). Unfortunately, Fes didn't provide the off-court work ethic that is secondary in importance to on-court minutes (and performance), and Sloan was mismanaged Fes (and others) in favor--ironically--of higher-scoring players but with subpar defense.

Now, with a stable of high-upside bigs, it is essential for Corbin to provide minutes to Kanter (i.e., at least 10 MPG or so on a regular basis, ideally without losing games as a result) and to spread the minutes around to all the players (who aren't hurting the team) so that the bigs will be fresh for games scrunched together. this should be an easy task.

What will be suboptimal is giving 30 to 35+ MPG constantly to two or three bigs who do not necessarily produce at a superior level as the others and/or who do so at the sacrifice of the development of the remaining ones. All of them need minutes regularly, and it should be Okur who should be restricted to less than 10 or 15 MPG (unless he someone learned how to be a faster runner and better defender).
 
mellow said:
I think Josh will provide alot of learning to those young guys, veteran tricks and all so I'm not too concerned (yet) about the minutes he might take. I am more troubled/concerned about hearing from Jazz camp that the Jazz don't have a legitimate 3 without howard. What the heck is Hayward? A SG? Then why draft Alec Burks? And now Kanter is shrinking into a pf?

5 picks in 2 years get the Jazz 2 shooting gaurds and 3 powerforwards?
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If there was a SF that looked better than Burks the Jazz would have taken him at 12. You had Marcus Morris, Chris Singleton, and Kawhi Leonard. None of them have close to the talent or potential Burks has.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Well, technically, the facts don't change, but rather our understanding of the facts.

The capacity for critical self-reflection is not a human character trait that one finds in abundance.
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Do what? Dude, facts change. Right now if someone asks me if I find it hot or cold outside, I'd say cold. Ask me the exact same question in August. It doesn't take critical self-reflection to recognize changes in one's environment, for example.
 
PKM said:
Do what? Dude, facts change. Right now if someone asks me if I find it hot or cold outside, I'd say cold. Ask me the exact same question in August. It doesn't take critical self-reflection to recognize changes in one's environment, for example.
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One mans cold is another mans warm. your example is merely opinion. The only fact would be that the temp is say, 68 degrees. That fact that it is 68 degrees doesn't change, and the fact that temperature is variable isn't a change in facts. What is changing is merely your opinion on whether that temperature is warm or cool.
 
mellow said:
I think Josh will provide alot of learning to those young guys, veteran tricks and all so I'm not too concerned (yet) about the minutes he might take. I am more troubled/concerned about hearing from Jazz camp that the Jazz don't have a legitimate 3 without howard. What the heck is Hayward? A SG? Then why draft Alec Burks? And now Kanter is shrinking into a pf?

5 picks in 2 years get the Jazz 2 shooting gaurds and 3 powerforwards?
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This is what happens when you are picking solely according to the "BPA" philosophy.
 
Jazz4ever said:
If there was a SF that looked better than Burks the Jazz would have taken him at 12. You had Marcus Morris, Chris Singleton, and Kawhi Leonard. None of them have close to the talent or potential Burks has.
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Agree.
Jazz FO can't win. They draft for need and come up with guys like Borchardt, Snyder, Morris, etc. Now they draft who they feel are the BPA's and still get blasted by some. Right now, I give KOC plenty of latitude before I criticize him. Looks like I was dead wrong about Hayward. Had I been at the ESA, I may have been one of those booing the pick. And we now know KOC was trying to maneuver up to get Favors - and got him with a great trade for DWill. Given the comical way the Paul trade went down, do you think Jazz would have been able to get great value for Deron right now?

I can't say I'm sold on Kanter...yet...but I am 100% behind the Burks pick. SF MAY have been a bigger immediate need, but the Jazz also need guards. CJ is a FA after this season, Watson was unsigned at the time - and getting long in the tooth. Jazz have NEVER had a player like Burks, well, not unless you count Price;-) Having a combo guard, and one who can create his own shot, is going to be invaluable. Get a SF in the draft and the Jazz will be set at the 2/3. Hayward can swing between both spots. So Kanter, Favors and Millsap or Jefferson at the 4/5; Burks, Hayward and draft pick/trade at the 2/3. If they get a good pick, maybe the luxury is there to keep both Jefferson AND Millsap, with Paul being able to play some big 3. Jazz could very well have one of the deepest and most flexible lineups in the league.
 
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