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Ty the Turd Does It Again

Legatus said:
It's still dumb and delusional to say this:



In which universe is it better for him to win than to develop young talents? How stupid is the Jazz management in your opionion?

Whatever kind of black magic is going on behind the scenes for the last years, it's not about winning. It could be because they can't let vets get unhappy because they have to keep a good score with players to lure SOME FAs to Utah. It could be that they (wrongly) think that sitting young players early in their carrier might have benefits in the future(work ethic for example).

I really have given up on campaigning against Corbin and caring much, but these kind of posts......
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I am not defending Corbin. I do not want him back next year. But his job is to win. To say other wise is foolish. Developing talent should be part of that. I have not been satisfied with Corbin and want him gone. But his job is to win. If you want to consider that foolish than by all means. Does not change the fact that a coachesjob is to win.
 
Legatus said:
It's still dumb and delusional to say this:



In which universe is it better for him to win than to develop young talents? How stupid is the Jazz management in your opionion?

Whatever kind of black magic is going on behind the scenes for the last years, it's not about winning. It could be because they can't let vets get unhappy because they have to keep a good score with players to lure SOME FAs to Utah. It could be that they (wrongly) think that sitting young players early in their carrier might have benefits in the future(work ethic for example).

I really have given up on campaigning against Corbin and caring much, but these kind of posts......
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False dichotomy. Corbin has been winning and developing young talents (in a way that has far exceeded most rational expectations). Jeremy Evans, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors are all proof of how foolish this three year long "play the youngins NOW!!!1" crying has been.
 
Legatus said:
It's still dumb and delusional to say this:



In which universe is it better for him to win than to develop young talents? How stupid is the Jazz management in your opionion?

Whatever kind of black magic is going on behind the scenes for the last years, it's not about winning. It could be because they can't let vets get unhappy because they have to keep a good score with players to lure SOME FAs to Utah. It could be that they (wrongly) think that sitting young players early in their carrier might have benefits in the future(work ethic for example).

I really have given up on campaigning against Corbin and caring much, but these kind of posts......
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There is only one approach differing from ours as fans that could legitimize this kind of strategy and it's not letting the young guys get chewed by elder players and lose confidence in their early years. But this definitely is not the situation for the most of the players in the Jazz roster. So I say Tyrone really is wrong on sitting Enes and Burks away from the starting position.
 
franklin said:
False dichotomy. Corbin has been winning and developing young talents (in a way that has far exceeded most rational expectations). Jeremy Evans, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors are all proof of how foolish this three year long "play the youngins NOW!!!1" crying has been.
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I don't want to disturb the emotional synergy between you two but if Corbin actually played his cards that way, those names you mentioned would be 2 years ahead of their current careers.

But I have to add that he is not the Devil's own in not playing young talent. There are many worse coaches with that character. It's just that he seemed to allow them some, because he obviously needed to show he is not a retard but also needed to show that he is not a retard by playing the experienced and expensive players and not playing the inexperienced too much. The Jazz kinda have this weird attitude that they don't wanna look like they're tanking, ever, and they find looking like tanking obviously; dishonorable, humiliating. It might be just a fantasy of course.
 
franklin said:
False dichotomy. Corbin has been winning and developing young talents (in a way that has far exceeded most rational expectations). Jeremy Evans, Alec Burks, Derrick Favors are all proof of how foolish this three year long "play the youngins NOW!!!1" crying has been.
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Prove to me that they wouldnt be better now if they had played more in the last few years
 
addictionary said:
I don't want to disturb the emotional synergy between you two but if Corbin actually played his cards that way, those names you mentioned would be 2 years ahead of their current careers.

But I have to add that he is not the Devil's own in not playing young talent. There are many worse coaches with that character. It's just that he seemed to allow them some, because he obviously needed to show he is not a retard but also needed to show that he is not a retard by playing the experienced and expensive players and not playing the inexperienced too much. The Jazz kinda have this weird attitude that they don't wanna look like they're tanking, ever, and they find looking like tanking obviously; dishonorable, humiliating. It might be just a fantasy of course.
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Can anyone explain, in simple, realistic, understandable terms why any fan would believe this nonsense? Is our fan base really this bad at judging talent?
 
franklin said:
As soon as you prove that putting a young boxer in against Floyd Mayweather would do anything other than crush his career.
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Floyd mayweather is the best boxer in the world.

I never said that burks should go toe to toe with lebron for 30 minutes per night.

There are plenty of mediocre basketball players in the nba for burks to play against each game

Playing against the jj redicks, and randy foyes caliber of players in the nba would not have hurt his confidence anymore than going up against gordon hayward in practice would
 
See the thing is that there is no way to prove or make fact that what ty did with youth made them better or worse.... its all opinion since we cant go back in time have him try things another way.


What i do know as fact is that i got more enjoyment from watching burks play basketball than i did watching howard, cj, bell, foye, or jefferson and since my enjoyment of my favorite team that i love with all my heart was lessened due to tys rotations, well im gonna be upset about it
 
fishonjazz said:
See the thing is that there is no way to prove or make fact that what ty did with youth made them better or worse.... its all opinion since we cant go back in time have him try things another way.
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Exactly, which is why we use reasoning and logic, which tells us that players must first be able to handle simple things in practice before doing them at full game speed. It was more than clear that these raw players couldn't do many things in game the past couple of seasons. That they've developed largely through practice proves this route works very well.



fishonjazz said:
What i do know as fact is that i got more enjoyment from watching burks play basketball than i did watching howard, cj, bell, foye, or jefferson and since my enjoyment of my favorite team that i love with all my heart was lessened due to tys rotations, well im gonna be upset about it
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It's been the ****s for three years. Why do we need to lynch the coach with strawman arguments for a bad situation that the organization built? Is he the fall guy for pent up anger at the Jazz by fans who don't want to accept their contempt for the way the FO has mishandled a ton of decisions?

KOC, Lindsey, and the Millers are the dumbasses who didn't buy out RJ the second he was acquired. Everyone knew his contract was too large to trade, but the FO was clueless about it.
 
franklin said:
Can anyone explain, in simple, realistic, understandable terms why any fan would believe this nonsense? Is our fan base really this bad at judging talent?
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You cannot get what you ought to out of any talent if you don't build them to their ceilings or whatever they can become. Judging talent is not the only thing there is to basketball. Experience is more important. There are many highly anticipated star nominees that have fallen to the depths of the endless well called the NBA.
 
franklin said:
Exactly, which is why we use reasoning and logic, which tells us that players must first be able to handle simple things in practice before doing them at full game speed. It was more than clear that these raw players couldn't do many things in game the past couple of seasons. That they've developed largely through practice proves this route works very well.
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But burks rookie year i watched with my own eyeballs as burks went into los angeles and guarded kobe bryant and vice versa, with burks scoring 13 pts in the 4th to help the jazz get the win.
His confidence was so high that game.
 
franklin said:
Exactly, which is why we use reasoning and logic, which tells us that players must first be able to handle simple things in practice before doing them at full game speed. It was more than clear that these raw players couldn't do many things in game the past couple of seasons. That they've developed largely through practice proves this route works very well.





It's been the ****s for three years. Why do we need to lynch the coach with strawman arguments for a bad situation that the organization built? Is he the fall guy for pent up anger at the Jazz by fans who don't want to accept their contempt for the way the FO has mishandled a ton of decisions?
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I have always said that i understood corbins decision to play millsap and jeffy over kanter and favors....
But raja was one of the worst playerd in the league, starters or bench players, and raja, cj, and howard playing over burks was a travesty and all on corbin.

Foye was a valuable player with a much needed skillset so can even understand that one as well.
The raja bell issue is all wron and all ty corbins fault.

This year jefferson and burks minutes should have a much larger disparity
 
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