US Kills 100 innocent Civilians

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Not quite right.

We shouldn't presume the "lie" is a stand-alone explanation. Most lies have reasons, purposes. Reasons and purposes sometimes have motivations, and motivations sometimes possess humans, particularly politicians like the Bushes.

and politicians sometimes have scapegoats or fall-guys who once traded on favors for a day in the sun, some post in an administration that seemed propitious.

You still cannot blame ordinary Americans, or American soldiers acting on the commander-in-chief's orders, and sometimes it would miss the point of responsibility to blame a mere sitting President, because Presidents generally are patsies for their interested key supporters, like the Rockefellers have been for both the Bushes and the Clintons.

I had a friend who took an IED in his groin, who survived and who was driving other vets around town to doctor appointments and clinics and occasionally to a park or something for years. Meat for the meatgrinders, I'm afraid, but as honorable as anyone in this country. As a nation we treat them despicably in many ways, with insensitive ideologues like Thriller mocking their motives and such.

You're doing an injustice to our military invoking collective responsibility for our national policies on regular Americans who go about life paying taxes or serving in the military, while you rhetorically fail to place the full responsibility on the chief protagonists for geopolitical manipulations. But, heh, you might be called a conspiracy theorist if you did, just for recognizing the seats of real power that do exist and do exert controlling influence......

No ordinary American really wanted the war in Iraq, but under our false "Press" and our propagandized New Worlder idealists, we were told we had to go set up democracy of our kind in a place where it fundamentally is out of place. And we obeyed our Media and political expert "leaders", all in the tank with Rockefellers' CFR.

Put the blame on David Rockefeller. He's proud of what he's done.

Rockefeller hates Trump because Trump is a bad dog who won't just sit and take orders. Trump is the first President we've had in seventy years who possesses any capacity for real independence, except for that nice B actor, before he took a shot in the head.

I am not doing an injustice to US soldiers.

 

[babe]

We invaded Iraq in 2003 because Hussein successfully bluffed that he had biological weapons. He was trying to trick Iran and Saudi Arabia, but we also fell for his trick. We believed that he still had some of the weapons he absolutely had in the 90s. He set his own trap. He was a mass murdering monster. I don't mourn his death, at all. He killed more Iraqis than the U.S. ever did.

I think I agree with Thriller on his question, except for his calling you an idiot (along with the rest of us). I was against the war in Iraq. I had a brother in the Army who was a chemical weapons specialist. We had been doing mock wars involving chemical weapon threats in Iraq since at least 1966. His training manuals are in my possession. Of course, we turned to the most fearful possibilities to goad the public into accepting the "Bush Personal Vendetta Against The Puppet Who Broke Our Strings" War.

My information, generally excluded by MSM standards of public management, is that there was sufficient lead-up time allowed so Russia could actually remove their deployed resources prior to our attacks. So the evidence was removed, so we can just call our personnel liars. But the weapons were not the real issue. We had a high-level, higher than the Bushes, agenda for the area under UN guidelines.... essentially British Imperatives. The Bushes were willing to oblige.

 

[babe]

I am not doing an injustice to US soldiers.

OK. Your post laid it all on a lie from the CIA director. It's just not that simple. Bullet was about 90% right, except about the bluff. Saddam was a reckless nutjob who scared even his Russian allies, who reconsidered their material support. The "lie" was actually truth, but it became an inconvenient truth after the Russians got their stuff out. Anyhow, it was a useful lie for those who wanted the war.

It was a reasonable belief based on the trust we place in our leaders, a particularly necessary virtue we need our military personnel to have. We need it so bad, we should actually just act on truth, not on geopolitical agendas made up by sociopathic monsters who think they're our managers/owners. Like David Rockefeller.

 

[Siro]

So I don't think WE went to war with Iraq. The US government did. It was not an execution of the will of the people, their values, or their interests. The military is just a tool of the oligarchs, who are above accountability or reproach, even when their actions lead to the suffering of millions of people, and to a major security crisis worldwide. It amazes me that the American people, who are victims in this, continue to defend the actions and "intentions" of the oligarchs.

This isn't on the military. It's on the plutocracy.

PS. Saddam, as horrible a sociopath as he was, did not kill nearly as many people as the Iraq war.

 

[Gameface]

So I don't think WE went to war with Iraq. The US government did. It was not an execution of the will of the people, their values, or their interests. The military is just a tool of the oligarchs, who are above accountability or reproach, even when their actions lead to the suffering of millions of people, and to a major security crisis worldwide. It amazes me that the American people, who are victims in this, continue to defend the actions and "intentions" of the oligarchs.

This isn't on the military. It's on the plutocracy.

PS. Saddam, as a horrible a sociopath as he was, did not kill nearly as many people as the Iraq war.

I agree with you.

Because I took part I suppose I react with a certain level of subconscious defensiveness and a desire to justify my role, maybe even a desire to take pride in my role. Not to make it out like I had any significant role. I didn't. I mostly just hung out and played cards.

 

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OK. Your post laid it all on a lie from the CIA director. It's just not that simple. Bullet was about 90% right, except about the bluff. Saddam was a reckless nutjob who scared even his Russian allies, who reconsidered their material support. The "lie" was actually truth, but it became an inconvenient truth after the Russians got their stuff out. Anyhow, it was a useful lie for those who wanted the war.

It was a reasonable belief based on the trust we place in our leaders, a particularly necessary virtue we need our military personnel to have. We need it so bad, we should actually just act on truth, not on geopolitical agendas made up by sociopathic monsters who think they're our managers/owners. Like David Rockefeller.

No. It was the justification for the war that the US officially offered in front of the UN. It isn't just something some talking head on nut job radio said.

I called it a lie not because it was inaccurate but because it turned out not to have been the findings of intelligence analysts. The bush administration altered the intelligence reports when they weren't happy with the original findings. IIRC Frontline covered this subject quite thoroughly in the mid 00's.

 

[babe]

No. It was the justification for the war that the US officially offered in front of the UN. It isn't just something some talking head on nut job radio said. I called it a lie not because it was inaccurate but because it turned out not to have been the findings of intelligence analysts. The bush administration altered the intelligence reports when they weren't happy with the original findings. IIRC Frontline covered this subject quite thoroughly in the mid 00's.

This sounds like something reasonable, and based perhaps on more than my own limited understanding. Thanks for sharing. I'll look into it some more.

 

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I feel that I must also point out that there was an active genocide happening in Sudan at that time.

 

[babe]

I feel that I must also point out that there was an active genocide happening in Sudan at that time.

but virtually NO oil......

 

[Revolution 9]

You wont see any "pro life" people crying about this on your facebook feed.

 

[Stoked]

You wont see any "pro life" people crying about this on your facebook feed.

Comments like this are foolish.

You will once you stop trying to pin people into a specific box based on their stance on one issue. World isn't that neat and clean.

 

[Revolution 9]

Comments like this are foolish.

You will once you stop trying to pin people into a specific box based on their stance on one issue. World isn't that neat and clean.

Personal experience. My "pro life" friends fit into a pretty neat black and white box. My argument is valid. If you are going to whine and cry about the murder of any innocent fetus then why doesnt carpet bombing the enemy knowing woman and children will be blown to shreds bother you?