Utah Jazz in desperate need of long term coaching solution

[freakazoid]

Great post. Look at where Boston is right now.
I feel a lot better about where the Jazz are right now than I would if I were a fan of Boston, New York or Brooklyn..

I wouldn't lump Boston in with Brooklyn and NY. Boston is actually set up for a nice rebuild, and now that they have committed by trading Rondo, they will be in good shape sooner than later. They have 8 1sts in the next 4 years, including 3 consecutive unprotected picks from Brooklyn. The one in the middle is just rights to swap, so if Boston is worse, it's only 2, but if Boston is better that year, it will result in 3 consecutive Brooklyn picks while giving up a lesser first the 2nd year. I'm very jealous. No doubt Danny will be looking to pull off something like he did with KG/Allen. He may have to wait a year or two for the right opportunity, but he is loaded for bear as of now.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I wouldn't lump Boston in with Brooklyn and NY. Boston is actually set up for a nice rebuild, and now that they have committed by trading Rondo, they will be in good shape sooner than later. They have 8 1sts in the next 4 years, including 3 consecutive unprotected picks from Brooklyn. The one in the middle is just rights to swap, so if Boston is worse, it's only 2, but if Boston is better that year, it will result in 3 consecutive Brooklyn picks while giving up a lesser first the 2nd year. I'm very jealous. No doubt Danny will be looking to pull off something like he did with KG/Allen. He may have to wait a year or two for the right opportunity, but he is loaded for bear as of now.

Draft picks are nice, but 50% of 1st-rounders don't pan out as you had hoped. Those unprotected firsts from Brooklyn will likely be out of the lottery. You're right, though. Ainge will probably look to trade for an all-star from a rebuilding team.

But I like the Jazz' situation.
Bigs: Favors is a fringe all-star. Gobert could soon be a DPOY candidate. Kanter will be a good backup.
Wings: Hayward is putting up all-star stats. Burks is improving in terms of his range. And he's playing on a bad shoulder. Hood can back up either position. I guarantee he'll eventually be Korver-lite. There's no way he won't shoot around 40% on his 3's with the form he has.
PG's: ok, some concern here. Still too soon to project for Exum. Burke looks like a backup at best. Neto...who knows? May need to sign or trade for a veteran.

Should add a top-10 pick this season.

Utah has some serious assets - and most have already shown good value, unlike an uncertain draft pick.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

The way they would maximize profit is by selling the team for $600 million.

Death taxes may force them to. Until then it is best for the family to not sell at top dollar and in fact try to suppress value of team for tax purposes. They are trying to keep revenue and costs in that sweet spot where seats are empty not too empty and team loses but not too many losses.

This team cannot be good until after Gail dies or millers will be forced to sell by Obama's thugs.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Most of that is crap, other than the Millers running the team as a business, which it is. Utah has paid the LT when the team had a chance at competing for a title, and Larry was gone when that happened. It should be obvious why Utah's payroll is where it is right now, and it should also be obvious that in the next few years, they will be spending more and more. Utah has shown a commitment to keeping their players, even in cases where they are risking an overpay. If Utah was running things the way Sterling used to run the Clippers, you don't throw that kind of money they threw at Gordon and Alec. When they matched Gordon, I would have agreed that it was mostly about selling tickets, but with the way Gordon has played, it's safe to say it was a legitimate decision in building the team. Burks extension, on the other hand, had nothing to do with ticket sales. That was simply a gamble they took in hopes Burks will develop, but right now, he does very little to sell tickets.

You are not paying attention. Greg Miller said he would.never pay the luxury tax. Why? Same reason his father never paid LT until after he was mega-rich and Jazz became his hobby horse.

I never said Burks was about selling tickets. Why do you not quote where I said so. I said all contracts combined are a PR move to fool fans to think Jazz will spend when actually they are suppressing spending.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Draft picks are nice, but 50% of 1st-rounders don't pan out as you had hoped. Those unprotected firsts from Brooklyn will likely be out of the lottery. You're right, though. Ainge will probably look to trade for an all-star from a rebuilding team.

But I like the Jazz' situation.
Bigs: Favors is a fringe all-star. Gobert could soon be a DPOY candidate. Kanter will be a good backup.
Wings: Hayward is putting up all-star stats. Burks is improving in terms of his range. And he's playing on a bad shoulder. Hood can back up either position. I guarantee he'll eventually be Korver-lite. There's no way he won't shoot around 40% on his 3's with the form he has.
PG's: ok, some concern here. Still too soon to project for Exum. Burke looks like a backup at best. Neto...who knows? May need to sign or trade for a veteran.

Should add a top-10 pick this season.

Utah has some serious assets - and most have already shown good value, unlike an uncertain draft pick.

LLF. Trey is JLIII and Favors is all star.

 

[freakazoid]

You are not paying attention. Greg Miller said he would.never pay the luxury tax. Why? Same reason his father never paid LT until after he was mega-rich and Jazz became his hobby horse.

You are confused. Larry said he would never pay the tax, and he never did. Utah paid the LT twice, and it happened under Greg, right after he took over.

 

[Stifle Tower]

You are confused. Larry said he would never pay the tax, and he never did. Utah paid the LT twice, and it happened under Greg, right after he took over.

Semantics. Larry H. said he would pay the luxury tax if the Jazz were contenders, but they wouldn't be long-term tax payers. And the contracts were signed, particularly the match for Millsap when Larry H. still owned the team. I have no doubt Greg would likely be willing to pay the tax one year if contracts were to overlap. For example, matching an offer for Gobert but then the next year having Favors or Kanter come off the books. Jazz will never be repeat offenders; Greg doesn't sell enough Toyotas to match the deep pockets of other owners.

 

[freakazoid]

Semantics. Larry H. said he would pay the luxury tax if the Jazz were contenders, but they wouldn't be long-term tax payers. And the contracts were signed, particularly the match for Millsap when Larry H. still owned the team.

You are also confused.

On February 20, 2009, Jazz owner Larry H. Miller died of complications from diabetes. His son, Greg Miller, became the new CEO of the team.

Following the 2008–2009 season, on June 25, 2009, the Jazz tendered a qualifying offer to Millsap, making him a restricted free agent.[8] A few weeks later, on July 10, 2009, he signed an offer sheet from the Portland Trail Blazers for $32 million over four years, including $6.2 million in the 2009–2010 season, with a $5.6 million signing bonus, with $10.3 million to be paid within seven days of the contract's approval by the NBA.[9] The Jazz had the right to match the offer ("right of first refusal"), and did so seven days later, on July 17, 2009.

Like I said, Utah paid the tax twice, and it was Greg who paid it, not Larry. They paid 3.1 million in 09-10, and then paid 4.9 million in 10-11. Larry said for years that he would never pay the tax, and although he eventually lightened up on that stance, he wasn't around when Utah paid it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

LLF. Trey is JLIII and Favors is all star.

You're my Long Lost Friend?
I said FRINGE all star for Favors and his numbers support that: 16/8 on 55% with nearly 2 blocks/per. Don't know if he'll ever be an all-star in the WC; there are just too many great PF's and he doesn't have the personality nor play in a market where he's going to get enough attention to garner a ton of votes.

As for Trey, I never said he was JLIII. Lucas was a 3rd PG at best. I said Trey looks like a backup. Unless he can improve his shooting, he'll have career like Watson did, bouncing around from team to team, maybe even getting a chance as an interim starter until they can upgrade. Then he moves on to another team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

You are also confused.





Like I said, Utah paid the tax twice, and it was Greg who paid it, not Larry. They paid 3.1 million in 09-10, and then paid 4.9 million in 10-11. Larry said for years that he would never pay the tax, and although he eventually lightened up on that stance, he wasn't around when Utah paid it.

You got me. For some reason, I thought Millsap's offer was matched before Larry H. died. I misrembered. Thanks for the correction. Had Larry H. still been alive, I think he would have also exceeded the tax just as Greg did. After all, he reportedly vetoed an AK trade a couple of times. And that huge contract, along with the ones given to DWIll, Okur and Boozer, meant they were set up to be taxpayers in 09-10...if they decided give a contract to or match an offer for Millsap. I'm sure this was discussed and planned for a few years prior to it happening; all major organizations do 3-5 year budgets. Unfortunately, it also meant they weren't willing to pay an additional $9M in salary and taxes to keep Wesley Matthews for 2010-11.

Isn't it funny, though, that many (and that includes me) have blasted Greg for being a businessman but not a basketball fan like his dad. Yet, as you mentioned, Greg has authorized KOC to exceed the luxury tax 2x and is now assuming some significant business risk - and loss of revenue - by allowing DL to do a rebuild his way (and likely missing the playoffs for 3 years - or more).

 

[freakazoid]

Isn't it funny, though, that many (and that includes me) have blasted Greg for being a businessman but not a basketball fan like his dad. Yet, as you mentioned, Greg has authorized KOC to exceed the luxury tax 2x and is now assuming some significant business risk - and loss of revenue - by allowing DL to do a rebuild his way (and likely missing the playoffs for 3 years - or more).

Absolutely, and misinformation is my biggest frustration with this board.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

You are confused. Larry said he would never pay the tax, and he never did. Utah paid the LT twice, and it happened under Greg, right after he took over.

Absolutely, and misinformation is my biggest frustration with this board.

Laugh like ****.

Maxipad that claimed Greg did not deny LT last year also hates disinformation. You and your alt stifle tower are perfect for each other.