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dalamon said:
Joe started in his rookie year, and no one really questioned it because he looked fine.



Treating all rookies as the same is stupid tbh. A rookie of Dante’s resume vs. Luka Doncic’s resume obviously creates two very different sets of expectations, and deservingly so. Rookies aren’t a monolith.

Grayson has a good three point shot, and....okay vision I guess? But if I’m being honest the second Raul and Dante come back he should get kicked to the D League for the rest of the season. He is a complete pylon on defence, even by rookie standards.

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As for this chat of consistency— I find that that is more relevant for offensive confidence than defensive lapses. He still practices against NBA players, he has enough exposure to not make the mistakes he’s making
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this would be a valid assessment if his defense was as bad as it was early in the season, but it's clearly miles better from where he started to the point where he's not a regular pylon as you described it. 3-7 min here and there mixed in w/ DNPs is no good for his development or confidence. there's a reason he looked so good in summer league, preseason, and g-league, and that is because of good PT and confidence. i actually wouldn't mind him going to the g-league when those guys come back so he can continue to get time to get comfortable on the court.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The defense is concerning. He has offensive skill. He can shoot (the percentages are bad right now... but it's more about consistent minutes and such). He is good on the pump fake and drive and is consistently getting into the lane... just hasn't figured out what to do when he's there.

Defense in practice is different than in NBA games. He will get better there... I doubt he is ever really good. Reddick was a sieve as a young player and found his way... guys that work figure it out.

Allen will have an NBA career... talk of being a bust is so friggin premature and based on box score watching rather than actual basketball game watching.
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i suspect this is what most people are doing (and that goes for all rookies, not just allen) rather than using their eyes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The defense is concerning. He has offensive skill. He can shoot (the percentages are bad right now... but it's more about consistent minutes and such). He is good on the pump fake and drive and is consistently getting into the lane... just hasn't figured out what to do when he's there.

Defense in practice is different than in NBA games. He will get better there... I doubt he is ever really good. Reddick was a sieve as a young player and found his way... guys that work figure it out.

Allen will have an NBA career... talk of being a bust is so friggin premature and based on box score watching rather than actual basketball game watching.
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Will he figure it out— probably. Jury is still out on that. Players improve. I dunno— with him his style of play on d just doesn’t pass the eye test for me.
 
dalamon said:
Will he figure it out— probably. Jury is still out on that. Players improve. I dunno— with him his style of play on d just doesn’t pass the eye test for me.
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go watch a a couple games from early in the season and watch his last 5-7 games played. defense is clearly far ahead of where he was.
 
He had a couple okay moments defensively last night. The dunk was bad but he’s not going to guard guys like Harkless in the post often. Has to stop fouling. He’s gotten better and I think he’s moving his feet better. Struggled around screens a bit but I think there is a decent defender in there.

He’s got a higher upside than Shamet imo... dude is thick and athletic... he will be fine.
 
I think it's important to see Grayson's most valuable contributions for what they are. With Dante out there are many on this forum who need a whipping boy, and Grayson is obviously it. We'd have surely won the game if he hadn't played, am I right?
 
Still talking about Grayson? smd

I don't want favors shooting threes ever again. Might as well have gobert and udoh shooting threes. It's basically like a turnover. I don't have the numbers but I'm guessing favors is something like 4 out of his last 20 from three or something equally horrendous.

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fishonjazz said:
Still talking about Grayson? smd

I don't want favors shooting threes ever again. Might as well have gobert and udoh shooting threes. It's basically like a turnover. I don't have the numbers but I'm guessing favors is something like 4 out of his last 20 from three or something equally horrendous.

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He's shooting 23.7% from the 3 this season. So he pretty much hits 4 out of every 20. Not just the last 20.
 
Alfalfa said:
He's shooting 23.7% from the 3 this season. So he pretty much hits 4 out of every 20. Not just the last 20.
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His 3 point shot is poop. I want it to stop happening

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