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Utah Jazz Select Walter Clayton Jr, Pick 18 (Trade)

seattlejazzfan said:
everybody is entitled to their opinion, but there is next to zero chance, assuming everybody is healthy and no trades, etc, clayton starts the season over collier at point.
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Collier is probably a better passer but WCJ is still a playmaker, floor general, and his shooting is worlds better. His college AST #'s were pretty much identical with a much better A / TO ratio. My guess is he looks for his own offense first partly because he was Florida's best offensive weapon by a country mile.

I'm not saying he starts at PG Day 1 but I do sense he gets there at some point this season. Partly just because I'm not that high on Collier.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
everybody is entitled to their opinion, but there is next to zero chance, assuming everybody is healthy and no trades, etc, clayton starts the season over collier at point.
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He will be by the end of the year if not the start. He's a better player, a higher pick, and older. Not to mention the Jazz moved up to get him and internally expressed him as their dream target with the 2nd pick
 
bigmike said:
Collier is probably a better passer but WCJ is still a playmaker, floor general, and his shooting is worlds better. His college AST #'s were pretty much identical with a much better A / TO ratio. My guess is he looks for his own offense first partly because he was Florida's best offensive weapon by a country mile.

I'm not saying he starts at PG Day 1 but I do sense he gets there at some point this season. Partly just because I'm not that high on Collier.
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I’m good with having both and letting them compete for roles and minutes. Hopefully, competition makes them BOTH rise to the occasion.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He will be by the end of the year if not the start. He's a better player, a higher pick, and older. Not to mention the Jazz moved up to get him and internally expressed him as their dream target with the 2nd pick
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i won't argue with that - i think it's absolutely a possibility.

two things - i think collier's improvement is going to be substantial in year two, and i think clayton while naturally a combo guard, has better point skills than most realize.

not trying to make a point by saying that, i just think we're going to have a situation where we have two really good potential lead guards on this roster. also summer league should be fun.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i won't argue with that - i think it's absolutely a possibility.

two things - i think collier's improvement is going to be substantial and i think clayton while naturally a combo guard, has better point skills than most realize.

not trying to make a point by saying that, i just think we're going to have a situation where we have two really good potential lead guards on this roster. also summer league should be fun.
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I agree Collier played great and deserves playing time this year
He made quantum leap improvement during the season which is hard to do
 
WCJ at PG would be funny.

We should play

WCJ
Sensabaugh
Ace
Lauri
Hendricks

Just five snipers who are all so incredibly bad in terms of BBIQ that we can't execute any sets.

What happens when every player on the court is a blackhole with no skills other than hitting 43% from three.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
WCJ at PG would be funny.

We should play

WCJ
Sensabaugh
Ace
Lauri
Hendricks

Just five snipers who are all so incredibly bad in terms of BBIQ that we can't execute any sets.

What happens when every player on the court is a blackhole with no skills other than hitting 43% from three.
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you're over shooting this one. clayton isn't a traditional pg of course, but he is absolutely a good and willing passer who played mostly point on the national championship team. he averaged 4+ assists and had a 23% assist rate which is pretty good.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
you're over shooting this one. clayton isn't a traditional pg of course, but he is absolutely a good and willing passer who played mostly point on the national championship team. he averaged 4+ assists and had a 23% assist rate which is pretty good.
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I view him as Keyonte or Sexton tier as PG who are... capable of passing to an open man and not capable of getting a team into sets (which is why Collier was force fed minutes because he's the only guy on the roster capable of getting the team into sets)
 
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