Gyp Rosetti
Banned
In all seriousness, I said my voice matters on a smaller scale...I'm not denying that.
Utah Spy Center........
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In all seriousness, I said my voice matters on a smaller scale...I'm not denying that.
Ever seen the ho's that are coming out of the WH? Ya, I think I'll pass on that action.
I have zero aspirations of a career in politics. I like to be involved locally, and that's about it.
I'm telling you that it matters on the biggest scale also.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Bro, except the example you used was me getting political myself and taking it all the way to the Commander in Chief. My vote matters. I won't deny that. And writing to Congressman and **** like that might do some good I guess. I don't really know. At the end of the day though, getting political myself? No way. It's a big web of scumbags scratching one another's backs and my moral compass is too in sync to even remotely get near something like that without barfing all over their $5,000 suits.
As far as hos go, I'll stock the stable. Trust me, they'll be thoroughbreds.
OK, so you've demonstrated that I'm wrong is saying you just don't care. Nobody who just doesn't care would write as detailed a rebuttal as all that. And as I process the available information, I'll drop you from my list of suspects who are either cement contractors signed up and pouring concrete for the Data Center, or a wannabe employee there.
Looking at the further discussion here, it's likely that you do feel you can't make a difference in a large scale way. But that is where I think you devalue your actual importance. I get to meet politicians, corporate honchos, and government bureaucrats sometimes, and I'm not being hostile to them when I do. I smile, and shake hands, and I even get to say something sometimes. I send emails to their offices, and sometimes I even get something in reply that doesn't look like computer-programmed hash with my name in the blank after "Dear". Orrin Hatch I know calls precinct people, and now I'm one. My sister also gets through to him sometimes. The dude is doing his best to win the conservatives back, and it's changing the whole message about what he's doing for us.
More than anything else we need reasonable normal moderate folks more than extremist wackos getting on the phones.
Sorry you missed my points about these sorta theoretical philosophical "rights" about how the government should treat people as being meaningful to you. General rights are all we have to protect us when things go wrong somehow.
Duck Rodgers
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Despite reading the article in the first post and a few subsequent articles between then and now, I don't think I ever realized how truly massive this baby is because the pictures never did it justice. This sums it pretty well:
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2013/07/nsas-big-dig/67406/
Damn. Can you tour it right now at all or is it already on total lockdown? I want to appreciate the size of the prying eyes in my backyard in person.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2013/07/nsas-big-dig/67406/
Damn. Can you tour it right now at all or is it already on total lockdown? I want to appreciate the size of the prying eyes in my backyard in person.
so here's the latest fund-raiser Rand Paul has sent out:
It's not enough to have every last bit of personal information on file. . . . they want you stamped with an inventory number.
my NSA buddy has a list of potential terrorists ranked by correlations between interest in athletics and innerwebz ramblin's about politics. He says he knows a lot of feigned liberal "handles", particularly "made-up personas". Anyone pretending to be a California resident and a Utah Jazz fan is automatically gonna be at the head of his list of demented terrorists.
just a heads-up, bro.
My own list of correlations from the infinite supply of facts the database comprises has you pegged as DutchJazzer's alt.
And, to drive my point home, I actually have a job, a wife, and kids and usually exhibit pretty boring mundane behaviors like showing up at work and paying my bills. A literal stiff in terms of creative imagination. . . . . and if I can do "correlations" like that, there's gotta be no limit on the possible "correlations" an analyst cooped up inside the data center with impatient supervisors looking for "leads" will be able to see.
Used to be, people with the power of life and death or incarceration had to come out of their darkened rooms and tell a judge why they needed to search your personal effects. . . . . probable cause, it was called. . . . and they had to charge you with a specific crime before they could lock you up, and you could get a lawyer to make them prove it.
while it might be "nice" to trust the government in all it's infinite "wisdom", experience across history has shown power like this draws out the worst people to fill the ranks. . . . people who are sociopaths. . . . who will do anything for no reason at all, just because they "can".
And that is why we need a stronger Bill of Rights today than ever before. . . . and why we must reject the convenient claims of statists for their power grabs.
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yes you did, sir. Because you are you.
I hate it because I'm gonna hafta run for governor so I can have the Utah National Guard take possession of the Data Center and shut it down, saying "Not In Utah".
Orrin Hatch is proud of his "Bridge to Nowhere" in the Oquirrh hills as the crowning achievement of his porkbarrel career in the Senate since 1976, but he's an idiot of the highest rank. . . uhhmmm . . . stink.
The reason why the Data Center cannot stand in Utah is because the Utah Constitution guarandamntees the security of private matters, and the damn Federal government cannot override out personal rights under any pretext. The reason the original colonies limited the federal powers by agreeing that the federal Constitution narrowly defines the Federal powers, and the Tenth Amendment reserves to the states, or to the people, all powers not expressly granted to the Federal government, is precisely to keep the Federal government from imposing this kind of tyranny.
Good luck with that. I'm sure the Utah Constitution is going to win out.
Good because you would probably suck *** at it.