Voter Suppression and Why The Republicans Love It So Much?

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It’s pretty obvious that most of the hate AOC gets from the right is exactly because of this. Many are just angry that she’s hot as hell and they have no shot at her.



It’s interesting to consider that a great deal of anger from the right is caused by sexual frustration. I read a book not too long ago that tied a great deal of right wing authoritarianism in europe to sexual frustrations of young men. When you look at the demographics of those at Jan 6, you can definitely see a pattern. Rural, conservative, and evangelical communities have yet to figure out how to deal with sex and sex education in a healthy manner.

While I personally hate sandals and find them gross and unattractive, I realize that's my issue. People wear sandals.

 

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If you believe this is a "minority" professorial theory, why is it being taught in colleges that train teachers, and why is the material being worked into school curricula.

CRT is not being taught to undergraduate teachers, nor is it being worked in any curricula below the post-graduate level.

You have been pushing associated ideas in here yourself.

Which ideas have I pushed that are specifically central to CRT, as opposed to other social theories about race and oppression? When you find it impossible to name any, will you acknowledge as much?

 

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It’s pretty obvious that most of the hate AOC gets from the right is exactly because of this. Many are just angry that she’s hot as hell and they have no shot at her.

Now if you said that about all the hate Nancy Pelosi gets I might have to give that one to you. AOC is okay I guess but who among us can't admit that Nancy Pelosi is a smoke show? The idea of her popping those dentures of hers out into a little glass beside the bed makes me want to spout all kinds of things on twitter. Grrrr......grrrr....meow.

 

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This is some pretty normal stuff…



What is this boot to their necks? A free and fair election that the republican president lost (House Repubs gained seats)?

Jan 6 is something to… Celebrate?

Who’s going to be Marie Antoinette? Liz Cheney? Dr Jill Biden? AOC?

The French Revolution and the subsequent dictators it created ended up killing thousands if not millions of French and caused unparalleled European suffering not seen until the world wars. And… the American right wants that?

Of Reichstags and Bastilles › American Greatness

The United States of America came to a crossroads on January 6, 2021. How we treat the events of that day will affect not only our politics, but our culture and our very way of life for the…

amgreatness.com

 

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CRT is not being taught to undergraduate teachers, nor is it being worked in any curricula below the post-graduate level.


Which ideas have I pushed that are specifically central to CRT, as opposed to other social theories about race and oppression? When you find it impossible to name any, will you acknowledge as much?

You're a committed ideologue, though you won't define "marxism" coherently in a manner that distinguishes between the hundreds of variants. You make up definitions for everything, and if you don't care to do all that work there are thousands of people out there doing it in their own ways. I don't believe there is a cogent, concise, or distinct definition of "CRT". It exists only in the variant skulls of political agenda wonks who transiently find it useful somehow for a specific near-term goal or the larger ideal of breaking down an objectionable society by essentially bullying everyone.

So, who the hell knows what "Marxism" or "CRT" or any other variant form of political preachery really is. The whole idea of "change" or political transformation is deliberately shrouded in multiple plausibly denialed gobbledygooks.

The methodology is endless, it never reaches a goal. The real goal is the process, making use of the tool, the means of exercising power over a sheepish or disinterested ignorant public that is not yet aware of what is going on.

Theo only consistent thing I find in any of it is the strange fact that lying is loved for its wonderful effectiveness, and the occasional dupe like yourself who may sincerely believe he/she is working on some fundamental universal truth is often so damned brainwashed they'll never see the fact for what it is.

Trying to stay on topic in a thread in here is like playing whackamoley, ya know.

 

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You're a committed ideologue, though you won't define "marxism" coherently in a manner that distinguishes between the hundreds of variants. You make up definitions for everything,

I'm not qualified to define Marxism, and most of the non-mathematical definitions are those I read, not invent.

I don't believe there is a cogent, concise, or distinct definition of "CRT".

There is, and it is easy to find. However, it's politically inconvenient for you, so you ignore it.

 

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I'm not qualified to define Marxism, and most of the non-mathematical definitions are those I read, not invent.


There is, and it is easy to find. However, it's politically inconvenient for you, so you ignore it.

Look, I find these kinds of intellectual strainings over politics too much like discussing witchcraft. The differences are more like toads vs. frogs, crows vx. buxzzards, and such. The reciipes of how to put it all together in the damn stew and which way it must be stirred, and what words must be recited.

Obviously, Marx is dead. If he were alive he'd argue with everyone today, and noboddy would be right but Marx.

Anything that makes statements about racial differences and lays out any theorem of guilt or innate unworth of any class, including whites, is racist and hateful.

 

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One Canadian scholar’s take at what he’s seeing south of his border.

Opinion: The American polity is cracked, and might collapse. Canada must prepare

The U.S. is becoming increasingly ungovernable, and some experts believe it could descend into civil war. What should Canada do then?

www.theglobeandmail.com

By 2025, American democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic political instability, including widespread civil violence. By 2030, if not sooner, the country could be governed by a right-wing dictatorship.

We mustn’t dismiss these possibilities just because they seem ludicrous or too horrible to imagine. In 2014, the suggestion that Donald Trump would become president would also have struck nearly everyone as absurd. But today we live in a world where the absurd regularly becomes real and the horrible commonplace.

Leading American academics are now actively addressing the prospect of a fatal weakening of U.S. democracy.

This past November, more than 150 professors of politics, government, political economy and international relations appealed to Congress to pass the Freedom to Vote Act, which would protect the integrity of US elections but is now stalled in the Senate. This is a moment of “great peril and risk,” they wrote. “Time is ticking away, and midnight is approaching.”

I’m a scholar of violent conflict. For more than 40 years, I’ve studied and published on the causes of war, social breakdown, revolution, ethnic violence and genocide, and for nearly two decades I led a centre on peace and conflict studies at the University of Toronto.

Today, as I watch the unfolding crisis in the United States, I see a political and social landscape flashing with warning signals.

 

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Those social scientists who conducted the poll I linked earlier sure must feel silly now that you've said what they did is beyond human achievement. Here is the poll again that formed the statistical basis for the conclusions I said I had seen reported.

Young Democrats more likely to despise the other party

37% of Democrats wouldn't befriend someone who voted for the other party.

www.axios.com

Well, there are some pretty fundamental differences seemingly built in to begin with. We discussed this, on this very forum, years ago when it was becoming clearer that extreme polarization was going to be a huge problem. I don’t think we should ignore things like this, since, I assume, sooner or later, we are going to have to find a way to live together in the same nation. Right now, that seems very unlikely. The Canadian scholar who is warning his countrymen that the US might be a right wing dictatorship before long is thinking along the same lines I am.

Studies: Conservatives Are From Mars, Liberals Are From Venus

How research in political psychology explains the fierce clashes between Republican and Democrats in our polarized system.

www.theatlantic.com

I’ll repost this, because I think both sides likely exaggerate how much the extremes of both parties actually represent the dominant points of view reflected by those who self identify with either party:

Conservatives and Liberals Are Wrong About Each Other

New research shows that Americans on both sides of the political spectrum overestimate how radical the other side is.

www.theatlantic.com

On the other hand, while I see much hatred directed at me on Facebook, by conservative friends who I refuse to unfriend, I would say students who feel the way your poll indicates they do, do so because they are perceptive, and recognize, as I do, that the Republican Party is attempting, and will continue to attempt, to create a tyranny of the minority in the United States. Since the Republican Party, at least the majority of its supporters, support an Orwellian-style Big Lie that is behind the Republican state level efforts to control the machinery of elections, no doubt in order to make 2024 a more successful effort to overturn the results of a free and fair election, should they lose the presidential election, then no surprise to me if a perceptive and intelligent college student would want to steer clear of any Republican classmate. The culture wars as well would make compromise very difficult. The low level civil war we are currently immersed in largely revolves around cultural issues at this stage. At any rate, when I see Republicans engaged by an allegiance to an alternative reality that bears no resemblance to actual reality, I’d steer clear as well.

I imagine part of me views your survey results as a crock, though. I imagine it makes you feel good to try and “prove” that liberals and Democrats are somehow more hateful people, more emotionally unhinged by our partisan divide. Bull****. How’s that for a well thought out response to your poll? Bull****. Lol, well, actually, it’s not that hard to fathom. It’s the MAGA Republicans who are going over the deep end after all. Who wants to date a conspiracy believing individual divorced from consensus reality?

 

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Majority of Americans think Jan. 6 attack threatened democracy: POLL

An overwhelming majority (72%) of Americans believe that the people involved in the attack on the U.S. Capitol were “threatening democracy,"

abcnews.go.com

Well, I guess if you’re biased enough to jettison reality…..

CBS News poll: A year after Jan. 6, violence still seen threatening U.S. democracy, and some say force can be justified

This is the first in a CBS News Elections and Polling series studying the state of democracy.

www.cbsnews.com

“The reality — and this won't allay all those fears — is that there are some Americans who generally view force or political violence undertaken by others as justifiable, depending on the situation. That applies to the violence on January 6, and to a few for whom 2020 remains unsettled, but also extends to other issues, from abortion to gun policy to civil rights. And it's partially related to beliefs that political opponents are an existential threat, or being convinced they'll do worse to you. We stress this is not how most people feel, and that those who do are a low number in percentage terms. But then, we've also seen that it doesn't take large numbers to provoke these wider concerns in the nation”.

 

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I would say students who feel the way your poll indicates they do, do so because they are perceptive, and recognize, as I do, that the Republican Party is attempting, and will continue to attempt, to create a tyranny of the minority in the United States. Since the Republican Party, at least the majority of its supporters, support an Orwellian-style Big Lie that is behind the Republican state level efforts to control the machinery of elections, no doubt in order to make 2024 a more successful effort to overturn the results of a free and fair election, should they lose the presidential election, then no surprise to me if a perceptive and intelligent college student would want to steer clear of any Republican classmate.

You appear to be saying the hate people on the political left have for the political right is justified and is a sign of being “perceptive and intelligent”. The authors of this piece in the Atlantic that you’ve now linked twice are talking about the exact view you are voicing. Here is a direct quote from their paper:

… revealing a pattern of cartoonish claims from both Republicans (I don’t want to work and I want cradle to grave assistance. In other words, Mommy!”) and Democrats (“I like a dictatorial system of Government, I’m a racist, I hate non-whites”) about their opponents

In the space of two posts you’ve hit all the “cartoonish claims” of Republicans wanting a dictatorial system of government, being racist, and hating non-whites. Those opinions weren’t labeled “cartoonish” by me but rather by the authors you’ve cited and they have an 88 page paper going into detail on how that isn’t “perceptive and intelligent” but is instead a false reality.

I imagine it makes you feel good to try and “prove” that liberals and Democrats are somehow more hateful people

First, I don’t think either “liberals” or “Democrats” are more hateful people but I do think Progressives are by the very definition of what Progressivism is. The Democrats are a political party, not an ideology, and at times they have completely switched sides on issues. Liberalism is an ideology to which I count myself as belonging to. Progressivism, like Liberalism, is an ideology but unlike Liberalism it is primarily concerned with group dynamics which necessitates there being in-groups and out-groups. With intersectionality, modern progressives believe an individual can belong to multiple groups so one can be in-group sometimes and out-group sometimes but it is still a group-centric ideology and not an individual-centric one like liberalism is.

There are always progressives in both the Republican and Democrat parties but in the current year I see Progressivism stronger among those who identify with the Democrat party. That is what I see reflected in those stats and most similar stats contrasting the political right with the political left. It does not make me feel good. It makes me uneasy.

 

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We stress this is not how most people feel, and that those who do are a low number

^^^ This is the important part ^^^