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Washington at Jazz Thread: Who gives a ****?

DownUnder said:
I really despise couples who harp on about having had a "natural, drug free" birth blah blah .....
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You sound totally un-smug, brough. I don't know what I was thinking. No irony here, dudes. DownUnder is one open-minded mother ****er.

EDIT: open-minded-****er-of-mothers-who-have-hospital births.
 
NAOS said:
makes you wonder how human births were even possible............ for hundreds of thousands of years.
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Albeit with alarmingly high (by today's standards)infant and mother mortality rates. There were no 'good old days' where it comes to childbirth.

My wife and I did a class prior to birth of our fist child. It was kind of fun and bonding experience, but when she went into labor, she was all about 'give me the damned epidural.' I'm not sure it made that much of a difference, but it did provide some memories.

Among our classmates were one couple, the guy giving very blue collar type vibes. On the first day, the instructor asked if we had any questions, and this guy raises his hand and asks, "can we bring beer?" Yep, good memories.
 
NAOS said:
Hospital births are basically brand new in human history. Before that, we were obviously a species in peril.
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You are comparing modern hospital births to pre-historical birthing practices, which are very different from modern home birthing practices, so the argument is very weak.

Moreover, infant mortality (death before age 1) was ~20% (if your genealogy is like mine, it is chock full of infant deaths), now below 0.1%. Maternal mortality was ~0.1%, today ~0.002%. Species were not in peril since fertility rates were very high (taking a lot of shots on goal).
 
So there's not going to be one person in here (all men, btw) who's going to address how the hospital environment can lead to it's own serious problems?

And we're even going to have one dude apparently give the hospital full credit for the drop in infant mortality?

Gotta love the JFC. Narcotics all the way.
 
NAOS said:
So there's not going to be one person in here (all men, btw) who's going to address how the hospital environment can lead to it's own serious problems?

And we're even going to have one dude apparently give the hospital full credit for the drop in infant mortality?

Gotta love the JFC. Narcotics all the way.
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If you came into the argument making these points, I'm not sure you'd find any disagreement. You just came in from the angle of "ppl had birth before hospitals", which is obviously going to beget the response that it did.


With that said, of course there are numerous problems with giving birth to your child at the hospital.
 
So, what we have learned so far.....

Tree hugger's are super dumb and annoying, you shouldn't eat placenta, hospitals do more harm then good, and better to give birth at home. Got it.











































































But #1 is that all these subjects are more interesting then watching and discussing the Jazz.

End of thread for the love of god make it all end!!
 
Stifle Tower said:
its pitch and catch: the wife pushes and the doctor catches. The partner supports however he/she can (I'm being politically correct here). Billions of people have been born without parents having to take classes. Really, it's not rocket science.
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Honestly, this. I'm not criticizing birthing classes one bit. MsSerp and I did one. We had to based on the practice we were using. That said, I'm not sure I learned one thing there that I remember or have ever put into practice. But a birthing class certainly can't hurt. If nothing else, it puts the parents at ease that they've learned valuable infromation that they may want or need to use.
 
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